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this hope radio for the masses headline

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the balloon July 8 1947 the Army Air

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Forces has announced that a flying death

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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planets are males Jimmy Church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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Monday night Billy Carson Tuesday night

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all right let's do this welcome back

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I'm your host Jimmy Church follow me on

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twitter @ JT radio follow Richard Dolan

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at rich Dolan right there on Twitter

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tonight is night four of our open lines

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tonight it is Richard Dolan Richard is

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one of the world's leading researchers

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and writers on the subject of UFOs and

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greatest mystery of our time

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the University of Rochester where he

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diplomacy he also studied at Alfred

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University and Oxford University he's

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the author of UFOs in the national

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security state he co-authored with Bryce

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is Abel a be after disclosure and his

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latest book is UFOs in the 21st century

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mine he also hosts his weekly radio show

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the Richard Dolan show right here on kgr

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a frequent guest with me over on coast

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including ancient aliens hangar when the

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addition to his research his company

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Richard is here to take your calls and

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answer your questions during this very

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important period of UFO history his

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Jim meter twitter.com I like to welcome

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Richard Dolan Richard Jimmy don't mess

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copied that's right and then when he you

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sketches of Spain but but anyway the

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writing like mad and but he came out

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weirdness and and and it freaked people

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revolutions and jazz in Parker before

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true Parker heard this new sound in his

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his own revolution in jazz see this is

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why Coltrane and created another one and

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they just kept going this is this is why

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you are who you are this is this is just

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this blowing one oh man thank you that

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we're even having this conversation

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and oK we've got him on I love that

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period of jazz that's the truth like I I

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back up and you go to sketches of Spain

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there there isn't an album that makes me

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dream or imagine like sketches of Spain

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does that's a beautiful it's a beautiful

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record my favorite is always gonna be

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kind of blue yeah kind of bowling

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incredible Bill Evans there

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was a very much a Charlie Parker sound

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alike and I don't mean that in a bad way

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was an amazing amazing jazz quintet

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there was and just incredible music by

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the way on YouTube there's an amazing

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video of miles and Coltrane and that

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whole band after Evans left playing a

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kind of blue or so what which was their

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main song they're right on television on

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TV and it's so cool to watch you see

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them playing and they're smoking

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cigarettes they're smoking right right

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somebody somebody is somebody in that

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shot I can't remember who it is is

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and they're playing out front right and

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the camera pans back and he saw that

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cigarette with his head rocked back and

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listening and I just want to go back

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right and like with these guys man

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series alright I would love to now I'm

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gonna do a little tribute to what

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Congress was going through today and I'm

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gonna start off like this I want to

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thank you for your years of service your

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contribution right exactly and your

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contribution to our community I never

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said anything but I have this question

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here bob lazar

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bob lazar what's your take well it's

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taken many years for me to formulate my

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started researching UFOs I honestly had

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no I had no idea what I thought about

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his story because it's such a

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controversial lightning rod for

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different opinions and so on but I

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believe Bob Lazar story and I believed

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may be things that we're not that he's

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not getting exactly accurate in

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retelling it he himself as kind of

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implied this at one time or another but

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no I think fundamentally he's truthful

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a doubt that Lazar did in fact work at

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Los Alamos National Labs he's got that

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absolutely was are clearly no Edward

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no comments statement about Lazar I

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telling point that he knew Lazar and I

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think that Piers Lazar who knew exactly

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where and when to go for him and John

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lair and their crew to see where the

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UFOs were no I think he knew exactly and

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just I just myself didn't with James

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Goodall who himself is a legend in the

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aviation field but he's a John layer met

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Lazar back in 88 89 and has his own

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story about Lazar to tell I'm friends

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with Ron Regehr who knew Resort Lazar

279
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back in the pre-1980 988 air all these

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people who knew Lazar they all stand up

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for him so yes I believe his story and I

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think that he did go to s4 I think there

283
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is a place called s4 I think he did see

284
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a variety of these flying saucers and

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that he worked on one so yes I believe

286
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that what about the the other elements

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now I concur

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by the way we

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just set and I have over the years not

290
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to spend a lot of time on my opinion but

291
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watching all of the original statements

292
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and interviews with Bob and trying to

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get him to trip up right so I could just

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clear my mind of this I found no no

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evidence of that

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so no absolutely right all of it

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statements are as far as I could tell as

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well completely consistent and then I

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have this MIT Caltech conundrum and

300
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that's the part where do you think that

301
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that was something that Bob this just it

302
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came out of his mouth in the excitement

303
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of the hoopla that was going down in

304
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1999 he slipped up you think that I used

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to think that but here's a funny thing

306
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because back in the 80s look it was very

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easy for people to lie about their

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education that's the fact and and we

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like to forget this it's it's very

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difficult now to lie about your

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education it's almost impossible I would

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say but in the 80s people did it and I

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knew people who did it and one of them

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got caught and it was a very

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embarrassing situation but like it

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happened because people need to survive

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they want to get jobs and all of that

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and back then it was done and and I

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always was inclined to interpret

320
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lazarre's MIT and Caltech statements in

321
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that manner however I just I mentioned

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Jim Goodall and for people who don't do

323
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not know Jim Goodall he aside from

324
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having many many years in the US

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military is probably one of the top

326
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aviation experts in the world certainly

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in the history of aviation this is a guy

328
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who who sat inside the blackbird sr-71

329
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he saw it back in 1964 and as a matter

330
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of fact took the first known photograph

331
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of the stealth fighter back in the 80s

332
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when no one knew about it like this is a

333
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guy who's been there and he knows all

334
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about area 51 he's investigated it and

335
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Goodall said to me that in I know if it

336
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was an 88 or early 89 when Lear and Liz

337
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were very tight that he went alone with

338
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Lazarre to lazarre's home or his

339
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apartment or whatever and saw on the

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wall and I am deadly serious here said

341
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that he saw lazarre's MIT diploma on the

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he said and and good all to his credit

343
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and Jim Goodall I just have to say is an

344
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absolute beast like he's an amazing guy

345
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yeah he's a guy that you cannot help but

346
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love when you hear him seriously like

347
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you want him in your family you want to

348
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miss he's just an amazing human being

349
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incredibly knowledgeable but yeah he

350
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said this that he believed like he said

351
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I'm pretty certain like he's I think

352
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he's asked himself this a lot and he was

353
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pretty sure was an MIT diploma and

354
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lazarre's apartment was broken into this

355
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is Jim Goodall telling me and all that

356
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stuff was stolen after that and he

357
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believes lazarre's background was

358
00:17:33,649 --> 00:17:29,490
scrubbed now this and I said who else

359
00:17:36,350 --> 00:17:33,659
knows this and he said I don't know gene

360
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Huff of course was lazarre's real estate

361
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friend back in those days in the Vegas

362
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area and I don't know who else know

363
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maybe George Knapp would know actually

364
00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:45,419
this is worth asking him actually in

365
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fact but but yeah I got this statement

366
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just a week or two ago from James good

367
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on yeah that's crazy

368
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good all back in like nineteen

369
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I'm gonna go with 1995 it seems like

370
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it's the right year

371
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I got his email and I wrote him and we

372
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had a very cool like maybe month or two

373
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email back and forth back when email was

374
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like a rare thing and he was very cool

375
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man he's very cool very cool to me very

376
00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:23,070
nice this is a man who who investigated

377
00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:25,290
area 51 before anyone knew who Bob Lazar

378
00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:26,400
was that's right

379
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so we're talking early 1980s Jim Goodall

380
00:18:36,650 --> 00:18:34,260
was talking to we had one I think a

381
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sergeant it was 11 years at Groom Lake I

382
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believe and Goodall said do you believe

383
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in UFOs and the guys answer was yes

384
00:18:45,860 --> 00:18:42,930
absolutely they exist and then he said

385
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we have things in the Nevada desert that

386
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would make George Lucas envious and he

387
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got another person from that from area

388
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51 or that area who said virtually the

389
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same thing

390
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and each time Goodall would say can you

391
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expand on that and they would always say

392
00:19:06,830 --> 00:19:04,470
no but he was he was digging and so

393
00:19:08,270 --> 00:19:06,840
these are Lazar like stories these are

394
00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:08,280
stories that corroborate Lazar in

395
00:19:14,420 --> 00:19:11,250
various ways and by the way George Knapp

396
00:19:17,150 --> 00:19:14,430
we should point out has always said that

397
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he's interviewed roughly two dozen 25

398
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:20,550
maybe 30 individuals other than Lazar

399
00:19:26,930 --> 00:19:24,000
who have corroborated significant

400
00:19:29,420 --> 00:19:26,940
portions of Bob lazarre's account so I

401
00:19:31,130 --> 00:19:29,430
think there's a there's too much smoke

402
00:19:34,340 --> 00:19:31,140
to say that there's no fire here I

403
00:19:38,530 --> 00:19:34,350
believe that Bob Lazar yes is telling

404
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:38,540
the truth and by the way when I wrote my

405
00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:42,000
I wrote my second volume of UFOs in the

406
00:19:46,220 --> 00:19:44,130
national security state and yes Jimmy

407
00:19:48,650 --> 00:19:46,230
there will be a third volume I'm worried

408
00:19:50,780 --> 00:19:48,660
and asked but well I wrote volume two I

409
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:50,790
had Lazar in there for about 10 or 11

410
00:20:01,160 --> 00:19:54,450
pages and I don't forget you scrubbed

411
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,170
him the well no I went very deeply into

412
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:03,600
that and there were a lot of people who

413
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:06,480
were really polarized by how I treated

414
00:20:11,420 --> 00:20:09,210
that because I ultimately was supportive

415
00:20:13,010 --> 00:20:11,430
of his case but there were people not

416
00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:13,020
just Stanton Friedman but others who

417
00:20:19,340 --> 00:20:16,320
said he's a fraud he's a faker and then

418
00:20:22,790 --> 00:20:19,350
equally as many people who were very

419
00:20:24,170 --> 00:20:22,800
strongly supportive so yeah the

420
00:20:26,930 --> 00:20:24,180
attention he's getting now I think he

421
00:20:27,140 --> 00:20:26,940
deserves it now the the other part of it

422
00:20:31,550 --> 00:20:27,150
though

423
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:31,560
scrubbing school records is is one thing

424
00:20:36,410 --> 00:20:33,930
all right at two major universities but

425
00:20:38,510 --> 00:20:36,420
how do you scrub your professors how do

426
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:38,520
you scrub your friends your classmates

427
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,570
how do they get scrubbed the impression

428
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:44,400
and I always had honestly is that he may

429
00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:44,730
have

430
00:20:49,070 --> 00:20:46,710
he audited these courses rather than

431
00:20:53,330 --> 00:20:49,080
took them for credit and I think the

432
00:20:55,820 --> 00:20:53,340
Caltech is totally possible MIT the

433
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:55,830
story that I had had heard and I wish I

434
00:20:59,630 --> 00:20:57,690
could remember how to confirm this or

435
00:21:01,880 --> 00:20:59,640
not was that he had a buddy of his who

436
00:21:04,850 --> 00:21:01,890
went to MIT in that Lazar just audited

437
00:21:06,380 --> 00:21:04,860
some courses so I don't I don't know

438
00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:06,390
what the truth is you know and then

439
00:21:11,180 --> 00:21:08,130
here's Goodall saying he saw the diploma

440
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:11,190
yeah and he's not a hundred percent sure

441
00:21:15,140 --> 00:21:13,770
so we're back to square one I mean I

442
00:21:18,460 --> 00:21:15,150
don't really know what to think on that

443
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:18,470
but to me that's that's less critical

444
00:21:26,750 --> 00:21:22,320
then the information he provides about

445
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:26,760
s4 that's right corroboration yeah my

446
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:29,970
opinion is is very cut and dried here

447
00:21:38,810 --> 00:21:35,280
look I'm sure that his s that he worked

448
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:38,820
you know he's got the the Navy w2 right

449
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:41,010
he's got the things that can back that

450
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,210
stuff up but it just if you didn't go to

451
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:48,000
MIT if you didn't go to Caltech it's

452
00:21:53,630 --> 00:21:50,730
okay just come clean about it nobody

453
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:53,640
cares obviously after all of these years

454
00:21:59,240 --> 00:21:56,490
and that that part of his education has

455
00:22:01,400 --> 00:21:59,250
been hanging out there but it I don't

456
00:22:04,159 --> 00:22:01,410
think it phases anybody and it doesn't

457
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:04,169
phase me I would rather just have him go

458
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:05,760
look man I let my head get away from

459
00:22:11,450 --> 00:22:09,360
myself and I didn't go yeah yeah I agree

460
00:22:13,580 --> 00:22:11,460
with you has he provided this I don't

461
00:22:15,049 --> 00:22:13,590
really know the answer to this names of

462
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:15,059
professors you studied with no you

463
00:22:18,830 --> 00:22:16,320
actually can't recall I don't think

464
00:22:21,710 --> 00:22:18,840
there's one me yeah yeah that would be

465
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:21,720
one right yeah yeah I mean because I

466
00:22:31,010 --> 00:22:25,490
remember I couldn't produce any of my

467
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:31,020
diplomas or my degrees I forgot what my

468
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:32,850
college degrees are called if I couldn't

469
00:22:36,169 --> 00:22:34,410
produce any of those I would at least be

470
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:36,179
able to say I studied I took this class

471
00:22:39,980 --> 00:22:37,919
this class this class of this professor

472
00:22:42,110 --> 00:22:39,990
and so on like I I can remember them to

473
00:22:44,419 --> 00:22:42,120
this day right most of them right any

474
00:22:47,630 --> 00:22:44,429
other and and professors remember their

475
00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:47,640
students you know not everyone but

476
00:22:50,900 --> 00:22:49,260
you're gonna find one that'll go yeah

477
00:22:53,210 --> 00:22:50,910
yeah I remember that guy he was a pain

478
00:22:54,530 --> 00:22:53,220
in the butt or he was really smart or he

479
00:22:57,260 --> 00:22:54,540
didn't he was a slacker

480
00:22:58,220 --> 00:22:57,270
I remember him he was a problem there

481
00:22:59,840 --> 00:22:58,230
students

482
00:23:02,510 --> 00:22:59,850
even that's the other thing other

483
00:23:06,169 --> 00:23:02,520
students yeah just so you know that's

484
00:23:12,110 --> 00:23:06,179
just I'm with you it is odd it's odd

485
00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:12,120
now John Lear posted today and I wanted

486
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:14,809
to get your comments on this John Lear

487
00:23:19,130 --> 00:23:17,250
posted over on Facebook and I don't see

488
00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:19,140
this stuff oft and I don't hang out on

489
00:23:25,900 --> 00:23:21,809
Facebook but this popped up in my feed

490
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:25,910
today and he said he just finished

491
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:28,770
lazarre's autobiography now if anybody

492
00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:34,530
knows Bob it's John it's summer and and

493
00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:36,990
John said I just finished the book today

494
00:23:46,130 --> 00:23:41,130
and I only found three factual quotes in

495
00:23:47,870 --> 00:23:46,140
the entire 245 pages I've been hearing

496
00:23:49,180 --> 00:23:47,880
this I haven't read it so I'm not going

497
00:23:53,659 --> 00:23:49,190
either

498
00:23:56,210 --> 00:23:53,669
but everywhere I he's the last person I

499
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:56,220
want to hear this from you know I know I

500
00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:57,690
don't want to hear it flow by John I

501
00:24:02,870 --> 00:23:59,460
mean honestly this is what I would I

502
00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:02,880
would bet someone came up to Lazar with

503
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:04,710
a big wad of cash and said hey let's do

504
00:24:09,380 --> 00:24:07,679
your biography for you right and and

505
00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:09,390
Lazar like you can already tell by his

506
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:10,860
personality it's like sheriff fine

507
00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:11,490
whatever

508
00:24:18,260 --> 00:24:14,130
like seriously how much do we think Bob

509
00:24:21,230 --> 00:24:18,270
Lazar cares about this like maybe he

510
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:21,240
does but maybe he doesn't maybe he just

511
00:24:25,580 --> 00:24:22,530
said yeah I'm gonna tell you my story

512
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,590
you write it and fine I don't have to do

513
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:27,600
anything like I could easily see that

514
00:24:33,380 --> 00:24:30,960
and sure what's my paycheck going to be

515
00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:33,390
like that kind of a thing and so

516
00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:35,809
obviously he had a ghostwriter who did a

517
00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:39,990
clearly a slipshod John I by all

518
00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:42,169
accounts that's pretty obvious well an

519
00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:44,130
autobiography becomes part of the

520
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:46,679
historical record is it gonna be part of

521
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:48,330
that everyone's not everyone's

522
00:24:52,669 --> 00:24:50,730
meticulous in this world right I mean

523
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:52,679
Lazar is meticulous about certain things

524
00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:55,410
obviously we listen with the man talk

525
00:25:01,330 --> 00:24:58,730
he's clearly a very highly analytical

526
00:25:04,730 --> 00:25:01,340
exact person with certain things but I

527
00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:04,740
don't know the story clearly he had a

528
00:25:09,980 --> 00:25:07,110
ghostwriter who did a very very slipshod

529
00:25:11,379 --> 00:25:09,990
job that's probably that's obvious now

530
00:25:13,299 --> 00:25:11,389
when when word

531
00:25:16,719 --> 00:25:13,309
dealing with physicists you know

532
00:25:20,129 --> 00:25:16,729
professional I mean real educated or the

533
00:25:25,810 --> 00:25:20,139
authentic out of their mind physicists

534
00:25:29,139 --> 00:25:25,820
they they are inside of math and numbers

535
00:25:31,539 --> 00:25:29,149
and symbols unlike anybody else on this

536
00:25:36,009 --> 00:25:31,549
planet and that's what they do that's

537
00:25:39,509 --> 00:25:36,019
all they're doing is is equations walls

538
00:25:44,469 --> 00:25:39,519
of them of for months at a time

539
00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:44,479
do you have you ever seen Bob to physics

540
00:25:49,529 --> 00:25:46,849
have you ever seen Bob could heat you

541
00:25:51,789 --> 00:25:49,539
know that's the other part of this that

542
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:51,799
that I'm just wondering about has

543
00:25:57,039 --> 00:25:54,159
anybody ever seen him do equation well

544
00:25:59,289 --> 00:25:57,049
you're asking the wrong I don't know Bob

545
00:25:59,979 --> 00:25:59,299
personally I mean I met him we chatted

546
00:26:03,129 --> 00:25:59,989
briefly

547
00:26:05,139 --> 00:26:03,139
I know people around him I wouldn't

548
00:26:08,649 --> 00:26:05,149
pretend that I'm an expert in his life

549
00:26:11,769 --> 00:26:08,659
so I can't misrepresent that the

550
00:26:13,869 --> 00:26:11,779
impression that Bob Bob Lazar always

551
00:26:17,529 --> 00:26:13,879
gave me is that he's a very very smart

552
00:26:19,989 --> 00:26:17,539
man who has certain skills I don't think

553
00:26:22,449 --> 00:26:19,999
anyone's saying that he's some genius

554
00:26:25,930 --> 00:26:22,459
theoretical physicist I don't think he

555
00:26:27,579 --> 00:26:25,940
would claim that he's got he's a

556
00:26:30,399 --> 00:26:27,589
mechanical sort of a guy that's really

557
00:26:31,869 --> 00:26:30,409
his party's worry scale I agree

558
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:31,879
all right very like he's actually really

559
00:26:35,529 --> 00:26:34,159
good at blowing things up like literally

560
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:35,539
blowing things up in the desert and

561
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,369
building things and tweaking engines and

562
00:26:41,739 --> 00:26:39,200
that sort of things so that's a

563
00:26:44,199 --> 00:26:41,749
different kind of a skill that's not

564
00:26:46,329 --> 00:26:44,209
that's not like an Einstein type of

565
00:26:48,819 --> 00:26:46,339
thing the sad Enrico Fermi or you know

566
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:48,829
Jonathan oh I'm huntin that's this is a

567
00:26:55,209 --> 00:26:51,289
different side of us he's not a knob and

568
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:55,219
himer no I don't and I don't think he

569
00:26:59,529 --> 00:26:57,200
would probably say that I mean he's he's

570
00:27:01,509 --> 00:26:59,539
a guy who likes to build and tinker and

571
00:27:02,829 --> 00:27:01,519
I I mean he certainly gives the

572
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:02,839
impression of being very good at that

573
00:27:10,239 --> 00:27:06,320
and that's you know something wouldwould

574
00:27:12,489 --> 00:27:10,249
s for folks who are working on a flying

575
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:12,499
saucer bring someone like him in I I

576
00:27:17,949 --> 00:27:14,690
don't know they don't they don't talk to

577
00:27:19,899 --> 00:27:17,959
me that I asked for my advice but I mean

578
00:27:21,399 --> 00:27:19,909
I can at least see that it could be a

579
00:27:24,140 --> 00:27:21,409
possibility that you'd bring someone in

580
00:27:26,570 --> 00:27:24,150
with a fresh approach sure yeah

581
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:26,580
stellar connection that's the thing that

582
00:27:32,150 --> 00:27:30,240
got him in it was Edward Teller and and

583
00:27:34,850 --> 00:27:32,160
this is I don't think there's any reason

584
00:27:37,250 --> 00:27:34,860
to dispute this that in I think was an

585
00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:37,260
82 Lazar made the cover of the local Los

586
00:27:44,660 --> 00:27:41,700
Alamos newspaper there for this jet

587
00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:44,670
engine he put on a car and it was kind

588
00:27:55,010 --> 00:27:47,700
of a cool thing and Teller was in fact

589
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:55,020
at Los Alamos at that time right they

590
00:27:59,360 --> 00:27:56,610
sat and talked like he actually ran into

591
00:28:01,670 --> 00:27:59,370
him and tell her does the typical well

592
00:28:03,710 --> 00:28:01,680
young man you know I like the cut of

593
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,720
your jib or whatever he said and here's

594
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:05,760
my phone number contact me if you are

595
00:28:11,530 --> 00:28:08,910
looking for a job when six years go by

596
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:11,540
and Lazar dug out the phone number and

597
00:28:15,710 --> 00:28:14,250
the rest is history I mean I don't think

598
00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:15,720
that's an outrageous thing and I think

599
00:28:20,780 --> 00:28:17,640
it's very likely that tellers connection

600
00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:20,790
is what got Lazar in yeah yeah and so

601
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:25,620
the like I said I I don't know much

602
00:28:33,650 --> 00:28:28,530
about the education side of things but I

603
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:33,660
do believe he worked at at at at area 51

604
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:38,730
he brought us s4 he saw things and you

605
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:40,860
know what has been amplified from there

606
00:28:47,270 --> 00:28:43,890
don't know I wasn't there but that part

607
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:47,280
of it yeah the way that he has explained

608
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:51,330
it he hasn't he hasn't made me raised

609
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,450
questions I felt that he was always as

610
00:28:58,820 --> 00:28:56,880
solid as can be so I've got this I've

611
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:58,830
got this thing that I fight with myself

612
00:29:06,050 --> 00:29:01,020
about it man there's there's a claim

613
00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:06,060
current now that Lazar was it as for but

614
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,590
didn't do the work he said he did I mean

615
00:29:11,390 --> 00:29:09,840
there's all these variations now and I

616
00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:11,400
don't I don't know who to believe on

617
00:29:17,270 --> 00:29:12,840
this and I don't know the strength of

618
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:17,280
that claim but I know that it is a claim

619
00:29:24,110 --> 00:29:19,890
that has made the rounds maybe it's true

620
00:29:27,140 --> 00:29:24,120
maybe he wasn't working on the sports

621
00:29:31,130 --> 00:29:27,150
model UFO flying saucer like he says or

622
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:31,140
maybe he was you know this is the

623
00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:32,850
problem with our field unfortunately

624
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:35,460
things get so tangled with rumor and

625
00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:37,530
with claim and counterclaim and

626
00:29:43,730 --> 00:29:41,190
eventually you lose the ability possibly

627
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:43,740
of really knowing how to separate the

628
00:29:48,290 --> 00:29:46,110
tricks that it untangle the truth from

629
00:29:50,060 --> 00:29:48,300
all of it well let's take our break

630
00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:50,070
right here when we come back we're gonna

631
00:29:59,000 --> 00:29:53,580
open up the phone lines you ready yes

632
00:30:00,350 --> 00:29:59,010
let's do this Richard Dolan I'm arrow

633
00:30:01,970 --> 00:30:00,360
signatures this has fade to black

634
00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:01,980
alright I'm opening up the phone lines

635
00:30:09,980 --> 00:30:06,150
right now seven four seven two two eight

636
00:30:12,140 --> 00:30:09,990
two zero five one you don't get through

637
00:30:13,070 --> 00:30:12,150
callback Compton it's gonna be a busy

638
00:30:15,050 --> 00:30:13,080
night on the phones

639
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:15,060
I'm your host Jimmy church this is fade

640
00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:16,650
to black on the game changer Network in

641
00:30:39,860 --> 00:30:20,220
kg RA the planet stay with us

642
00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:42,720
all right welcome back fade to black I'm

643
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:44,620
real sorry Church I'm the game changer

644
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:47,110
network and kg are a the planet night 4

645
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:49,570
of our open lines week here on fade to

646
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:53,890
black tonight Richard Dolan seven four

647
00:30:59,010 --> 00:30:56,559
seven two two eight two zero five one

648
00:31:00,660 --> 00:30:59,020
it's a very busy on the phones if you

649
00:31:02,970 --> 00:31:00,670
don't get through just call back call

650
00:31:05,419 --> 00:31:02,980
often it's gonna be a busy night on the

651
00:31:09,810 --> 00:31:05,429
phones and Richard before we get started

652
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:09,820
yes have you found that I got to fix my

653
00:31:17,730 --> 00:31:13,080
chair have you found that no matter

654
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:17,740
where we are at any given moment in

655
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:22,570
ufology we're a day or two goes by and

656
00:31:28,049 --> 00:31:25,090
it feels a little stagnant right and all

657
00:31:32,010 --> 00:31:28,059
of a sudden BAM there's something else

658
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:32,020
it it there is a big breaking story it

659
00:31:40,350 --> 00:31:35,650
seems like right around the corner right

660
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:40,360
are you ever surprised anymore well for

661
00:31:48,659 --> 00:31:44,530
the last two years I've gotten used to

662
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:48,669
it like I I'll just say for a number of

663
00:31:55,409 --> 00:31:52,510
years it it felt to me that we were

664
00:31:57,740 --> 00:31:55,419
either spinning our wheels or just

665
00:32:00,330 --> 00:31:57,750
engaging in fantasy land with a lot of

666
00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:00,340
really really absurd claims that were

667
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:03,910
detracting from the value of this field

668
00:32:11,610 --> 00:32:08,559
mmm-hmm and I and it was easy to feel

669
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:11,620
like we were just going in circles but I

670
00:32:17,940 --> 00:32:15,850
will say in the last two years whatever

671
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:17,950
one thinks about a lot of the claims

672
00:32:21,570 --> 00:32:19,330
that have come out it has certainly made

673
00:32:22,830 --> 00:32:21,580
the field very interesting and and also

674
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:22,840
there's a lot of actionable information

675
00:32:29,460 --> 00:32:24,250
that has come out so a lot of

676
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:29,470
information that is worthy of future

677
00:32:35,030 --> 00:32:32,049
research and I'm just going to say here

678
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:35,040
I I was at the center of one of these

679
00:32:40,770 --> 00:32:38,010
controversies when I publicized the

680
00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:40,780
so-called Admiral Thomas Wilson document

681
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:43,150
that was certainly written by dr. Eric

682
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:46,570
Davis back in 2002 and there's been a

683
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:49,020
lot of work people may not all be aware

684
00:32:54,780 --> 00:32:52,690
deep analyses had been done now

685
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:54,790
the Thomas Wilson document and I mean

686
00:32:59,330 --> 00:32:57,610
aside from forget trying to prove it's

687
00:33:02,180 --> 00:32:59,340
authentic I mean that's such a

688
00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:02,190
kindergarten level argument now there's

689
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:05,640
what we're finding is deep deep

690
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:07,930
connections for future research in terms

691
00:33:14,250 --> 00:33:11,170
of individuals and organizations and so

692
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,260
forth so no there's just so much new

693
00:33:18,030 --> 00:33:16,240
that is coming out and that's just the

694
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:18,040
tip of the iceberg there's just so much

695
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:22,720
more so it's exciting and I'm looking

696
00:33:25,860 --> 00:33:23,890
forward to seeing where we go for the

697
00:33:26,370 --> 00:33:25,870
next few years yeah yeah I couldn't

698
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:26,380
agree more

699
00:33:31,230 --> 00:33:29,770
let's uh let's kick this off let's go to

700
00:33:34,350 --> 00:33:31,240
the phones hi your life I'm fade to

701
00:33:37,860 --> 00:33:34,360
black who's calling hey Jimmy it's Bob

702
00:33:40,830 --> 00:33:37,870
and Alabama again and Richard this is in

703
00:33:42,750 --> 00:33:40,840
4h why so anyway I thanks very much give

704
00:33:45,210 --> 00:33:42,760
me for half this great weekend Richard

705
00:33:48,510 --> 00:33:45,220
for taking the call Richard I really

706
00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:48,520
want to commend you and Tracy and your

707
00:33:54,150 --> 00:33:52,150
whole team on your implementing the

708
00:33:56,340 --> 00:33:54,160
forum I was going to ask about the

709
00:34:00,990 --> 00:33:56,350
Thomas Wilson document we you've covered

710
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:01,000
it a bit the thing that I would ask you

711
00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:03,910
to comment on is you've had recent

712
00:34:11,130 --> 00:34:07,860
interviews with Cribs Chris Bledsoe and

713
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:11,140
we're seeing now on Facebook and with

714
00:34:18,660 --> 00:34:13,930
Grant Cameron and other people be kind

715
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:18,670
of amazing pictures and photos of the

716
00:34:24,210 --> 00:34:21,490
people that are going to visit Chris and

717
00:34:28,380 --> 00:34:24,220
all of the interactions between sin of

718
00:34:30,540 --> 00:34:28,390
and along others with Chris Bledsoe do

719
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:30,550
you believe he is currently the kind of

720
00:34:36,690 --> 00:34:33,610
most interesting experience or in the

721
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:36,700
apology well thank thanks for calling

722
00:34:41,310 --> 00:34:39,010
and I know who you are and I'm very glad

723
00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:41,320
to hear from you you had it you had a

724
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:42,550
couple of interesting points there I

725
00:34:46,770 --> 00:34:44,890
just want to mention relating to the

726
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:46,780
Wilson document there is an individual

727
00:34:52,650 --> 00:34:50,320
who wants to remain anonymous I know who

728
00:34:56,670 --> 00:34:52,660
he is he's absolutely brilliant and has

729
00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:56,680
written a 30-plus page analysis of the

730
00:35:00,270 --> 00:34:58,380
Thomas Wilson document that is

731
00:35:02,130 --> 00:35:00,280
absolutely brilliant and I will be

732
00:35:04,050 --> 00:35:02,140
interviewing this gentleman in the very

733
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:04,060
near future so the world will hear him

734
00:35:07,630 --> 00:35:06,050
he does have a blog site will

735
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:07,640
we can link all that stuff later but

736
00:35:14,020 --> 00:35:10,610
it's um it's an absolutely deep amazing

737
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:14,030
analysis regarding Chris Bledsoe yes I

738
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:17,450
did just chat with Chris I have one hour

739
00:35:21,310 --> 00:35:19,130
of my interview with him that's

740
00:35:22,990 --> 00:35:21,320
available now the second hour has been

741
00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:23,000
recording that recorded and there will

742
00:35:28,540 --> 00:35:25,220
be a third all of those will be released

743
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:28,550
I will say yeah I believe that he's

744
00:35:35,170 --> 00:35:32,720
certainly the most famous experience or

745
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:35,180
of the last couple of decades and I

746
00:35:41,350 --> 00:35:38,090
think deservedly so having spoken with

747
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:41,360
him at some length now I feel like I

748
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:45,170
know Chris pretty well and the thing

749
00:35:51,450 --> 00:35:48,410
about his story is that you know his

750
00:35:54,370 --> 00:35:51,460
contact accounts that are so utterly

751
00:35:56,110 --> 00:35:54,380
fantastic sounding like if you're a

752
00:35:58,500 --> 00:35:56,120
skeptic on UFOs you would think well

753
00:36:01,570 --> 00:35:58,510
this is impossible the problem with that

754
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:01,580
position however is that he has been

755
00:36:09,220 --> 00:36:04,370
visited by so many deep serious

756
00:36:11,050 --> 00:36:09,230
researchers not only who confirm the

757
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:11,060
story of him and all of the other

758
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,280
witnesses but they themselves have had

759
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:14,960
experiences on his property in North

760
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:18,010
Carolina this is almost become a cliche

761
00:36:23,650 --> 00:36:21,920
from John Alexander to grant Cameron to

762
00:36:25,290 --> 00:36:23,660
chase Colette ski and and many many

763
00:36:28,180 --> 00:36:25,300
other people who've gone down there and

764
00:36:30,370 --> 00:36:28,190
had very very bizarre experiences so

765
00:36:33,010 --> 00:36:30,380
there's something real that's happening

766
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:33,020
there and I have a lot of respect for

767
00:36:37,290 --> 00:36:34,970
Chris Bledsoe so yeah I think he's very

768
00:36:38,890 --> 00:36:37,300
important thank you for the phone call

769
00:36:41,140 --> 00:36:38,900
yeah go ahead

770
00:36:43,150 --> 00:36:41,150
he just seems he seems super genuine

771
00:36:46,620 --> 00:36:43,160
Richard and I really appreciate all yeah

772
00:36:49,180 --> 00:36:46,630
Thank You Jimmy yeah thank you Bob and

773
00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:49,190
it was great yeah what were we just

774
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,420
talking about before that phone call

775
00:37:01,710 --> 00:36:55,040
there is always something in ethology

776
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:01,720
right and and and here we have Chris who

777
00:37:07,090 --> 00:37:05,090
got what has been going down on his

778
00:37:09,790 --> 00:37:07,100
property in North Carolina has been

779
00:37:12,820 --> 00:37:09,800
talked about his name has not been out

780
00:37:16,810 --> 00:37:12,830
front now it is and a lot of people can

781
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:16,820
go oh I heard about oh so it was him oh

782
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:19,680
wow yeah weird thing like his case is

783
00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:22,079
famous and unknown at the same time it's

784
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:25,500
an odd position that to occupy but it's

785
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:29,609
really true but I've just I've just been

786
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:31,440
chatting with him we're still in touch

787
00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:34,710
and I just have to say he is a stand-up

788
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:37,859
guy and he's challenged me to like I

789
00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:41,250
have a position on the UFO subject where

790
00:37:47,210 --> 00:37:44,760
I actually don't like all these crazy

791
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:47,220
mysterious things okay I want things to

792
00:37:52,220 --> 00:37:49,710
be very comprehensible and analytical

793
00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:52,230
and materialistic and measurable like

794
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:53,640
that's what I'm most comfortable with

795
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:55,770
and I'm I won't make any bones about

796
00:38:00,319 --> 00:37:57,690
that I want the phenomenon to be

797
00:38:04,309 --> 00:38:00,329
comprehensible within my mindset and yet

798
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:04,319
I absolutely am forced to admit time and

799
00:38:09,950 --> 00:38:07,170
again that there are many many cases

800
00:38:11,900 --> 00:38:09,960
that don't fit my preconceived notion of

801
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:11,910
what I think UFOs should be and so I've

802
00:38:16,309 --> 00:38:14,010
just had to come to accept that and

803
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:16,319
Chris Bledsoe's case is a very strong

804
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:18,510
one in that regard there's a lot of

805
00:38:21,530 --> 00:38:19,770
elements of what we would call

806
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:21,540
consciousness that's important here

807
00:38:29,299 --> 00:38:25,410
there's a lot of he firmly believes like

808
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:29,309
a personal interaction that he has had

809
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:32,520
with these entities whatever they are

810
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:35,970
and I don't think that he believes that

811
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:38,609
they're necessarily extraterrestrial in

812
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:39,930
fact I think he believes at least in

813
00:38:43,789 --> 00:38:41,910
part that there some other sort of

814
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:43,799
spiritual entity however we want to

815
00:38:49,730 --> 00:38:47,089
define that so there's a there's a

816
00:38:52,309 --> 00:38:49,740
mysterious nature to this phenomenon

817
00:38:54,109 --> 00:38:52,319
that I mean on the one hand I enjoy it

818
00:38:55,609 --> 00:38:54,119
very much because I like the fact that

819
00:38:57,289 --> 00:38:55,619
we don't understand everything that's

820
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:57,299
that's good for us but on the other hand

821
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:58,680
there's a part of me that really wants

822
00:39:03,859 --> 00:39:01,680
to just grab this package it get the

823
00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:03,869
data you know put it in a little box and

824
00:39:09,230 --> 00:39:06,780
be done and I can't do that and it's in

825
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:09,240
large part because there's cases like

826
00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:11,460
that of Chris Bledsoe so it's a real

827
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:13,980
challenge it's real challenge are you

828
00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:23,970
going love and white on me but I've

829
00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:27,660
never I've never I've actually never

830
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:29,220
really been a straight-up

831
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:31,290
materialist like a Victorian materialist

832
00:39:35,650 --> 00:39:32,940
of the 19th century that's

833
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:35,660
that would be silly for me to try so I

834
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:38,490
clearly I recognize that there are

835
00:39:44,270 --> 00:39:42,210
things in this world that that our I

836
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:44,280
guess I could say our conventional

837
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:46,800
science can't really explain I mean it's

838
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:49,050
just the fact in my view and so that

839
00:39:53,660 --> 00:39:51,839
tells me that our science is missing

840
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:53,670
something very important and so we have

841
00:39:59,359 --> 00:39:57,359
to be alert to those anomalies you know

842
00:40:00,800 --> 00:39:59,369
there's a great book written over fifty

843
00:40:02,990 --> 00:40:00,810
years ago called the structure of

844
00:40:05,690 --> 00:40:03,000
scientific revolutions by a man named

845
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:05,700
Thomas Kuhn kua Chen it's kind of famous

846
00:40:12,380 --> 00:40:08,130
in a way kind of not famous he coined

847
00:40:15,050 --> 00:40:12,390
the word paradigm right and Kuhn argued

848
00:40:18,020 --> 00:40:15,060
he said scientific progress doesn't just

849
00:40:19,370 --> 00:40:18,030
happen incrementally like you know one

850
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:19,380
scientist working off someone else's

851
00:40:25,849 --> 00:40:21,660
research and he says no that's wrong

852
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:25,859
what happens is people have build up

853
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:27,599
their facts and on those facts they

854
00:40:32,540 --> 00:40:29,250
create what he called a paradigm that is

855
00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:32,550
a view of things a way to organize those

856
00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:34,500
facts he said but the problem with these

857
00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:37,560
paradigms is that new facts come in and

858
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,940
and they don't fit and so they're

859
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,280
considered to be anomalies and he said

860
00:40:45,620 --> 00:40:43,440
the way the structure of a scientific

861
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:45,630
revolution is that when you get too many

862
00:40:48,589 --> 00:40:46,319
anomalies

863
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,599
you've got to rethink the paradigm and

864
00:40:54,099 --> 00:40:50,640
that's when a real genius comes along

865
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,109
who comes up with a completely new

866
00:40:58,130 --> 00:40:56,400
scientific paradigm and that's the

867
00:41:02,510 --> 00:40:58,140
structure of scientific revolutions and

868
00:41:05,890 --> 00:41:02,520
so I believe that we're dealing with

869
00:41:08,359 --> 00:41:05,900
these types of anomalies today the the

870
00:41:12,970 --> 00:41:08,369
these types of what we call psychic

871
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:12,980
phenomena or you know phenomena that are

872
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:16,160
contingent upon states of consciousness

873
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:19,290
these are signs that there are anomalies

874
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:24,720
now I will say that a lot of people who

875
00:41:29,150 --> 00:41:27,359
make claims along these lines you we

876
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:29,160
just can't accept everything at face

877
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:30,960
value because the fact is a there are

878
00:41:34,490 --> 00:41:31,520
liars

879
00:41:37,390 --> 00:41:34,500
B there are people who are self deluded

880
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:37,400
and you and I have met both of them yes

881
00:41:42,020 --> 00:41:40,650
exist and and we're fools if we pretend

882
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:42,030
that they don't exist if we're fools if

883
00:41:46,070 --> 00:41:44,010
we say oh yes I believe everyone like

884
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,080
that's that's not smart

885
00:41:50,510 --> 00:41:48,960
so we have to be critical and we have to

886
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:50,520
recognize that there are a lot of fakers

887
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:52,260
out there or people who make these

888
00:41:58,220 --> 00:41:54,510
claims and we can't accept it but you

889
00:42:01,370 --> 00:41:58,230
can't throw out the fact that there are

890
00:42:03,710 --> 00:42:01,380
truly unexplained phenomena so I would

891
00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:03,720
just say approach it scientifically I

892
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:07,110
think that the the culture that is

893
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:08,610
accreted around what we call the new-age

894
00:42:14,570 --> 00:42:10,500
phenomenon there's been an unfortunate

895
00:42:17,180 --> 00:42:14,580
development in our in our society in the

896
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,190
sense of focusing on feelings focusing

897
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:19,440
on your you know your heart chakra and

898
00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:21,210
what you feel is right and all that and

899
00:42:28,820 --> 00:42:23,400
and like your truth versus my truth like

900
00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:28,830
that's all poison to the mind but there

901
00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:30,990
we approach it scientifically and then

902
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:34,020
we can win that's right and that's why

903
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:38,010
somebody like Jacques Vallee who is like

904
00:42:42,860 --> 00:42:41,310
in the middle of both sides right he's

905
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:42,870
right in the middle is somebody that

906
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,730
needs to be listened to because he gets

907
00:42:48,260 --> 00:42:47,040
it so let's go back to the phones hi

908
00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:48,270
you're live on fade to black who's

909
00:42:51,590 --> 00:42:48,750
calling

910
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:51,600
i Jimmy it's Ted from Sacramento hi

911
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:56,250
Richard hi hey Richard I wanted to let

912
00:43:01,760 --> 00:42:57,930
you know that whenever I feel like being

913
00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:01,770
really agitated and I have got my

914
00:43:06,620 --> 00:43:03,510
thinking cap on I always look for your

915
00:43:08,930 --> 00:43:06,630
podcast because you're always great at

916
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:08,940
educating people you're clearly very

917
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:11,370
intelligent but you're not highbrow you

918
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:13,140
don't go over people's heads and the

919
00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:14,850
thing that I appreciate the most along

920
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:16,500
with all your knowledge and research is

921
00:43:20,810 --> 00:43:18,570
you have a great sense of humor and

922
00:43:24,290 --> 00:43:20,820
you're entertaining as well so thank you

923
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:24,300
for that smoke-and-mirrors smart you get

924
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:29,690
sweet sack of sugar for return tonight

925
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:32,130
she's now she's gonna drop the bomb on

926
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:35,280
you though see she just saw ya someone

927
00:43:39,970 --> 00:43:37,710
to say Tracy your wife's a very lucky

928
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:39,980
lady you two are fantastic together

929
00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:42,720
she's sitting right here and giving a

930
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:44,220
little Japanese girl clap you know like

931
00:43:51,230 --> 00:43:48,000
a little the little clap like this you

932
00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:51,240
know I'm saying yeah well my question is

933
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:53,220
have you had a chance to look at I hope

934
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:54,890
I'm going to say this word right the

935
00:43:59,180 --> 00:43:57,930
silicon images and videos that have

936
00:44:02,440 --> 00:43:59,190
brought your doing

937
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:02,450
she never just talking about bar yes

938
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:05,490
okay well I ask again you told me about

939
00:44:09,140 --> 00:44:07,170
this yes Jimmy do you want to introduce

940
00:44:14,090 --> 00:44:09,150
this to the world because I think you're

941
00:44:16,510 --> 00:44:14,100
better at this no no no I'm gonna let

942
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:16,520
you run I'm gonna let you run with it I

943
00:44:19,940 --> 00:44:18,690
learned this from a man named Jimmy

944
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:19,950
Church he was telling me about this

945
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:23,130
earlier today and apparently in Germany

946
00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:25,110
in a location that Jimmy doesn't know

947
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:27,990
exactly where somewhere in the nation of

948
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:31,050
Germany a flash drive was found a USB

949
00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:34,410
stick that has over 8,000 what images

950
00:44:41,150 --> 00:44:38,790
video rather of 1800 documents yes no I

951
00:44:42,830 --> 00:44:41,160
thought was over okay whatever a lot yes

952
00:44:45,380 --> 00:44:42,840
and they're quite interesting like I'm

953
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:45,390
Jimmy's Facebook page I'm looking at

954
00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:47,910
some of these images oh this is yeah

955
00:44:50,420 --> 00:44:48,540
here we go

956
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:50,430
some of them are rather odd their

957
00:44:59,060 --> 00:44:56,250
mysterious one some show like markings

958
00:45:01,010 --> 00:44:59,070
on the moon and I don't know if these

959
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:01,020
things are I mean there's an odd beam of

960
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:04,160
light that you see here and there's an a

961
00:45:07,310 --> 00:45:06,450
spherical object in front of a planet

962
00:45:12,590 --> 00:45:07,320
maybe that's earth

963
00:45:14,030 --> 00:45:12,600
these are very odd pictures now Jimmy

964
00:45:16,430 --> 00:45:14,040
said he saw some pictures that were

965
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:16,440
supposedly as early as the early 20th

966
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:19,680
century ie I'm not seeing any on no no

967
00:45:23,090 --> 00:45:21,300
those haven't been published yet but

968
00:45:26,090 --> 00:45:23,100
else I'll send you some stuff tomorrow

969
00:45:28,820 --> 00:45:26,100
or after the show well it's just a do

970
00:45:30,530 --> 00:45:28,830
it's a new mystery I mean I wish I had

971
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:30,540
something to say about it I don't really

972
00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:33,510
have anything to say other than the

973
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:35,220
pictures actually are rather interesting

974
00:45:39,740 --> 00:45:37,850
to look at and I would like to know more

975
00:45:42,530 --> 00:45:39,750
but of course straight could be

976
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,540
continued them well you always have to

977
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:43,760
ask

978
00:45:51,350 --> 00:45:47,730
obviously these can be easily I do think

979
00:45:53,780 --> 00:45:51,360
they could be created and we really

980
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:53,790
don't know the true origin of this all

981
00:45:57,590 --> 00:45:55,290
I'm hearing from Jimmy is that they were

982
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,600
found in Germany we really would need to

983
00:46:02,090 --> 00:46:00,000
know how these things specifically were

984
00:46:06,310 --> 00:46:02,100
found before we're gonna make any

985
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:06,320
decisions I would like to do exactly how

986
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:08,850
to me my impression I've seen what's

987
00:46:12,620 --> 00:46:11,130
posted so far and to me it looks like

988
00:46:15,380 --> 00:46:12,630
there could be mixed

989
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:15,390
you're credible and fake ones just to

990
00:46:21,070 --> 00:46:17,250
confuse people more that's kind of my

991
00:46:26,180 --> 00:46:21,080
impression another annoying thing like

992
00:46:27,740 --> 00:46:26,190
on a flash drive then it would be like

993
00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:27,750
you'd have to think right that it would

994
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:32,790
be planted to what bury the truth amid a

995
00:46:37,580 --> 00:46:34,710
tissue of lies is that what it would be

996
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:37,590
crazy yeah no I mean maybe

997
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:39,690
yes you know the other one the other

998
00:46:48,620 --> 00:46:44,520
part about it for me is they don't have

999
00:46:50,180 --> 00:46:48,630
a consistent look and feel right if they

1000
00:46:51,590 --> 00:46:50,190
were if somebody was hoaxing these and

1001
00:46:53,810 --> 00:46:51,600
sitting at their computer you would

1002
00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:53,820
eventually go okay this these feel like

1003
00:46:59,150 --> 00:46:55,560
they're coming from the same you know

1004
00:47:01,160 --> 00:46:59,160
creator we're here they're just all over

1005
00:47:04,310 --> 00:47:01,170
the place and they don't have a

1006
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:04,320
consistent or have color yes I'm a black

1007
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:07,440
and white most black and white is there

1008
00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:09,570
and then I don't know yeah no it's a

1009
00:47:12,260 --> 00:47:10,380
it's strange

1010
00:47:13,970 --> 00:47:12,270
hey all the ones that you have on your

1011
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:13,980
page these are all actually I didn't

1012
00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:15,180
even realize but they're all from space

1013
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,220
every one of them yeah and if you look

1014
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:23,040
at the last one which is a picture

1015
00:47:29,330 --> 00:47:25,890
number 28 the one with it looks like

1016
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:29,340
trees or peace signs or pieces of wood

1017
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:31,050
coming out of the ground looking at it

1018
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:32,940
right now it's so funny that is a

1019
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:36,810
bizarre it's just that's like the Blair

1020
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:47,370
Witch Project like it's gonna give me

1021
00:47:50,930 --> 00:47:49,050
nightmares which by the way that that

1022
00:47:54,380 --> 00:47:50,940
movie did give me nightmares I'm not

1023
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:54,390
kidding thank you enjoy the rest of your

1024
00:48:02,750 --> 00:47:55,770
night in your weekend thank you

1025
00:48:08,420 --> 00:48:02,760
Stephanie Thank You Deb bye yeah no it

1026
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:08,430
was dead but that's okay right the the

1027
00:48:15,220 --> 00:48:11,570
sources of these and and now I've gotten

1028
00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:15,230
we'll talk about this more tomorrow but

1029
00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:19,380
some of these are NASA images and in

1030
00:48:24,930 --> 00:48:21,950
some of the some of the video footage is

1031
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:24,940
is NASA too as well it's

1032
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:27,900
I don't know Richard I'm more than

1033
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:30,490
perplexed right now but it goes back to

1034
00:48:36,570 --> 00:48:32,800
what we were saying earlier it's never

1035
00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:36,580
boring in the field of ufology just when

1036
00:48:41,130 --> 00:48:39,310
you get comfortable that's that's when

1037
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:41,140
you need to get ready because something

1038
00:48:46,890 --> 00:48:43,210
else is about to happen and that's my

1039
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:46,900
take and I just find this fun I don't

1040
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:49,570
know what getting to the bottom of this

1041
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:52,480
is going to produce in the end I don't

1042
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,720
know

1043
00:48:57,660 --> 00:48:54,960
and it feels cicada ish too as well

1044
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:57,670
that's let's go back to the phones hi

1045
00:49:03,330 --> 00:49:00,480
you're live on fader blossoms calling

1046
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:03,340
hey how's it going it's going good

1047
00:49:09,870 --> 00:49:06,250
who's this hey this is Sean to the Bay

1048
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:09,880
Area hey Sean say hi to Richard hey

1049
00:49:14,030 --> 00:49:12,640
Richard how are you doing hi Sean nice

1050
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:14,040
to hear from you

1051
00:49:19,890 --> 00:49:17,110
great great so I got a question for you

1052
00:49:22,140 --> 00:49:19,900
what's all this recent disclosure news

1053
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:22,150
we've been seeing in the media you know

1054
00:49:27,150 --> 00:49:24,130
the past year or so it's been going

1055
00:49:29,970 --> 00:49:27,160
flooding us um where do you see it going

1056
00:49:32,670 --> 00:49:29,980
from here do you see them like slowly

1057
00:49:34,860 --> 00:49:32,680
trickling out more news like this or do

1058
00:49:36,990 --> 00:49:34,870
you see it coming to some sort of head

1059
00:49:41,490 --> 00:49:37,000
where we might get some sort of real

1060
00:49:44,010 --> 00:49:41,500
disclosure I love this question so yes

1061
00:49:48,090 --> 00:49:44,020
please let me do my best with this one

1062
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:48,100
it's my assessment I mean I think in the

1063
00:49:51,810 --> 00:49:50,170
last two years since this field has

1064
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:51,820
really turned inside out since the New

1065
00:49:56,580 --> 00:49:54,010
York Times Politico and other major

1066
00:49:59,070 --> 00:49:56,590
media have been covering UFOs in a

1067
00:50:03,450 --> 00:49:59,080
serious at least a semi serious way

1068
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:03,460
without the jokes without this narc it's

1069
00:50:09,390 --> 00:50:06,250
been a new ballgame and 90 plus percent

1070
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:09,400
of that I think can be laid at the

1071
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:12,850
doorstep of the to the stars Academy T

1072
00:50:19,110 --> 00:50:16,720
TSA I think they are clearly the ones

1073
00:50:22,260 --> 00:50:19,120
driving nearly all of us they are the

1074
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:22,270
ones driving even most of the statements

1075
00:50:28,050 --> 00:50:25,810
by the United States Navy that all of

1076
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:28,060
the major media publicity the New York

1077
00:50:33,090 --> 00:50:31,210
Times pieces they gave us publicity to

1078
00:50:34,770 --> 00:50:33,100
the Tic Tac incident to the USS

1079
00:50:38,130 --> 00:50:34,780
Roosevelt incident off the eastern US

1080
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:38,140
coast they got that really they were the

1081
00:50:41,809 --> 00:50:38,960
ones

1082
00:50:44,690 --> 00:50:41,819
pushing the Navy's admission that they

1083
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:44,700
still investigate UAP all of that so the

1084
00:50:48,769 --> 00:50:45,930
question really comes down to what is

1085
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:48,779
TTS a so if they're a government

1086
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:51,839
operation which some people claim then

1087
00:50:57,079 --> 00:50:53,930
you would think this is a planned

1088
00:50:58,999 --> 00:50:57,089
disclosure by the government but what if

1089
00:51:00,920 --> 00:50:59,009
they're not my opinion is that they're

1090
00:51:03,950 --> 00:51:00,930
not a government operation I actually

1091
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:03,960
I'm gonna say this very strongly I think

1092
00:51:08,420 --> 00:51:05,849
that they are a private organization

1093
00:51:11,299 --> 00:51:08,430
with some X Intel people in it that's

1094
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:11,309
right but they're a private group that

1095
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:13,710
is a faction let's call them a

1096
00:51:20,049 --> 00:51:16,440
disclosure faction that is trying to

1097
00:51:22,460 --> 00:51:20,059
navigate navigate a very careful path

1098
00:51:25,339 --> 00:51:22,470
without breaking security clearances

1099
00:51:26,930 --> 00:51:25,349
which they mostly all got so they've got

1100
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,940
to be very careful with how they do this

1101
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,319
and they get their allies and they've

1102
00:51:32,989 --> 00:51:30,960
got their enemies within the Pentagon

1103
00:51:34,849 --> 00:51:32,999
and the intelligence community and so

1104
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:34,859
what I think and and they're getting a

1105
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:36,690
lot of frustration by the way like

1106
00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:40,609
they're there in my opinion slowing down

1107
00:51:44,660 --> 00:51:42,839
there's a couple of interesting articles

1108
00:51:46,789 --> 00:51:44,670
released by Chris Mellon of T TSA

1109
00:51:49,489 --> 00:51:46,799
recently one on their blog site and one

1110
00:51:51,289 --> 00:51:49,499
that was published on the hill calm I

1111
00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:51,299
would encourage people to read this

1112
00:51:55,999 --> 00:51:53,849
these are interesting articles and the

1113
00:51:58,489 --> 00:51:56,009
one on the hill recently he just talked

1114
00:52:00,049 --> 00:51:58,499
about how t TSA is having a heck of a

1115
00:52:01,460 --> 00:52:00,059
difficult time getting anyone in

1116
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:01,470
Congress to listen to them getting

1117
00:52:05,059 --> 00:52:03,119
anyone in the Trump administration to

1118
00:52:07,220 --> 00:52:05,069
listen to them it's almost like they're

1119
00:52:09,259 --> 00:52:07,230
spinning their wheels going nowhere

1120
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:09,269
really fast that's the impression you

1121
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:12,930
get from that article and I think it's

1122
00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:18,690
entirely possible that that they don't

1123
00:52:24,890 --> 00:52:21,720
succeed with what they're setting out to

1124
00:52:28,819 --> 00:52:24,900
do which is to promote some level of

1125
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:28,829
disclosure they've talked about having

1126
00:52:33,620 --> 00:52:32,400
access to a number of UFO videos that

1127
00:52:35,690 --> 00:52:33,630
they know about they've only gotten

1128
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:35,700
three of them declassify both of those

1129
00:52:40,339 --> 00:52:38,970
were almost two years ago I don't I

1130
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:40,349
don't see them making a whole lot of

1131
00:52:46,180 --> 00:52:42,930
headway there so it looks to me that

1132
00:52:50,359 --> 00:52:46,190
they're in danger of being stonewalled

1133
00:52:51,890 --> 00:52:50,369
themselves and the other thing that I

1134
00:52:56,750 --> 00:52:51,900
guess I would say is

1135
00:52:59,630 --> 00:52:56,760
from TTS a we're in a very interesting

1136
00:53:02,990 --> 00:52:59,640
position in our society visa vie UFO

1137
00:53:05,380 --> 00:53:03,000
secrecy on the one hand we're in an era

1138
00:53:08,059 --> 00:53:05,390
where it is true like more information

1139
00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:08,069
seems to be available to us where more

1140
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:09,960
information is coming out and we're able

1141
00:53:15,890 --> 00:53:12,930
to discuss these things some of that

1142
00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:15,900
information is is bogus and some of it

1143
00:53:19,370 --> 00:53:17,910
is self-serving propaganda for people to

1144
00:53:22,130 --> 00:53:19,380
make money and some of it is

1145
00:53:24,650 --> 00:53:22,140
disinformation but some of it's real so

1146
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:24,660
there's that but on the other hand we

1147
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:28,500
are now living in a globe where every

1148
00:53:31,660 --> 00:53:30,089
government from China to the United

1149
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:31,670
States and everyone in between is

1150
00:53:36,859 --> 00:53:34,650
seeking to control their citizenry more

1151
00:53:39,470 --> 00:53:36,869
and more and more through surveillance

1152
00:53:44,510 --> 00:53:39,480
through propaganda through control over

1153
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:44,520
the media all of that and through what I

1154
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,200
would say is an intentional dumbing down

1155
00:53:51,289 --> 00:53:48,720
of the population - I'll just throw that

1156
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:51,299
in there so we're losing our ability to

1157
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:53,490
think critically we're becoming worse

1158
00:54:01,970 --> 00:53:56,240
researchers in many cases not better and

1159
00:54:04,510 --> 00:54:01,980
I think it's entirely possible like we

1160
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:04,520
and I often have had the assumption that

1161
00:54:08,779 --> 00:54:06,960
disclosure is an inevitability because

1162
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:08,789
we're trading more and more information

1163
00:54:13,730 --> 00:54:11,609
and and the wall is going to break but

1164
00:54:16,839 --> 00:54:13,740
it's entirely possible that the

1165
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:16,849
propaganda system the control system

1166
00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:21,599
closes around us so completely and

1167
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:23,670
pushing alternative news to the fringe

1168
00:54:31,099 --> 00:54:28,079
so completely that it is possible that

1169
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:31,109
the so-called powers that be maintained

1170
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:33,210
control over this narrative for a long

1171
00:54:38,089 --> 00:54:34,970
long time much longer than we would like

1172
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:38,099
in which case the efforts of T TSA which

1173
00:54:42,140 --> 00:54:40,529
I do not see as a government op let me

1174
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,150
say this again would have come to

1175
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:44,640
failure and that's that's a distinct

1176
00:54:55,789 --> 00:54:53,520
possibility in my view thank you Thanks

1177
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,799
all right Richard Jimmy go back to Cathy

1178
00:55:03,079 --> 00:54:58,079
go back we Tempe thank you so much on

1179
00:55:04,420 --> 00:55:03,089
and the the the thing about that the

1180
00:55:07,630 --> 00:55:04,430
slowdown

1181
00:55:09,999 --> 00:55:07,640
the and and what you know Chris melon

1182
00:55:12,970 --> 00:55:10,009
was talking about in the frustration

1183
00:55:15,549 --> 00:55:12,980
that is there is it do you think and

1184
00:55:18,099 --> 00:55:15,559
I've got fifteen seconds do you think

1185
00:55:22,210 --> 00:55:18,109
it's because it was too much too fast

1186
00:55:24,339 --> 00:55:22,220
and maybe not not controlled probably a

1187
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:24,349
little bit better the way that TTS a did

1188
00:55:30,099 --> 00:55:27,200
it and now we won't be seeing any more

1189
00:55:31,150 --> 00:55:30,109
cooperation with the Pentagon I don't

1190
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:31,160
think it has anything to do with how

1191
00:55:34,839 --> 00:55:33,200
well or how poorly TTS a rolled out

1192
00:55:36,460 --> 00:55:34,849
their information I think that there are

1193
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:36,470
just enemies in the Pentagon and they

1194
00:55:39,759 --> 00:55:38,240
just come hell or high water they're not

1195
00:55:42,279 --> 00:55:39,769
gonna cooperate

1196
00:55:43,359 --> 00:55:42,289
TTS a made their mylar balloon gaffe and

1197
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:43,369
a couple of other things they shouldn't

1198
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:45,170
have done but that has nothing to do

1199
00:55:48,460 --> 00:55:46,400
with why the Pentagon wouldn't cooperate

1200
00:55:50,589 --> 00:55:48,470
with them it had everything to do with

1201
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:50,599
the fact that they are opening up a

1202
00:55:55,150 --> 00:55:53,119
subject that that many factions in the

1203
00:55:56,739 --> 00:55:55,160
pentagon still don't do not want open I

1204
00:55:59,799 --> 00:55:56,749
think that's what it we're talking about

1205
00:56:01,420 --> 00:55:59,809
here there you go let's take our break

1206
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:01,430
right here this is fade to black I'm

1207
00:56:05,650 --> 00:56:03,049
your Jimmy church tonight Richard

1208
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:05,660
bleeping dolan yeah I got bleeping in on

1209
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:08,480
the game changer networking kgr a the

1210
00:56:14,290 --> 00:56:10,730
planet more of your phone calls or next

1211
00:56:51,580 --> 00:56:48,960
[Music]

1212
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:51,590
[Applause]

1213
00:56:55,690 --> 00:56:53,970
welcome back fade to black I am your

1214
00:56:59,590 --> 00:56:55,700
host Jimmy Church tonight Richard

1215
00:57:02,600 --> 00:56:59,600
bleeping Dola and everybody take a drink

1216
00:57:04,130 --> 00:57:02,610
I'm the game changer networking KCRA the

1217
00:57:08,030 --> 00:57:04,140
planet you can follow me on twitter at

1218
00:57:11,330 --> 00:57:08,040
JDI hashtag f2b is the sandbox hashtag

1219
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:11,340
f2b Q is fade to black questions also

1220
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:14,250
you can follow Richard at rich Dolan

1221
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:16,440
right there on Twitter and Richard

1222
00:57:19,310 --> 00:57:17,970
before we get back to the calls

1223
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:19,320
everybody that's on hold stay right

1224
00:57:26,780 --> 00:57:21,450
there we'll get to everybody

1225
00:57:30,140 --> 00:57:26,790
is there a conference that you don't go

1226
00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:30,150
to where a fade or not comes up and says

1227
00:57:36,290 --> 00:57:33,960
yo man you know wearing the gear and the

1228
00:57:37,700 --> 00:57:36,300
respect that you have from this audience

1229
00:57:40,940 --> 00:57:37,710
that's got to make you feel pretty good

1230
00:57:42,890 --> 00:57:40,950
I have to say you have a really good

1231
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:42,900
crew you've got really wonderful people

1232
00:57:46,910 --> 00:57:43,650
who follow you

1233
00:57:51,859 --> 00:57:46,920
and yes I run into fate or nots all the

1234
00:57:55,090 --> 00:57:51,869
time and I feel like a special citizen

1235
00:57:58,910 --> 00:57:55,100
of the fate or not universe I feel like

1236
00:58:00,380 --> 00:57:58,920
I run into fate or not people with fate

1237
00:58:02,660 --> 00:58:00,390
or not t-shirts all the time

1238
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:02,670
fade to black t-shirts and yeah it's

1239
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:07,290
nice I must say and the quality of the

1240
00:58:12,500 --> 00:58:08,970
people who follow you or is always

1241
00:58:14,750 --> 00:58:12,510
really high talking with them no and and

1242
00:58:19,820 --> 00:58:14,760
and I think that they recognize that

1243
00:58:23,060 --> 00:58:19,830
when you're on this program that you're

1244
00:58:25,490 --> 00:58:23,070
not phoning it in right and and that's

1245
00:58:28,940 --> 00:58:25,500
that's important the other thing is we

1246
00:58:32,750 --> 00:58:28,950
have exhausted the normal questions

1247
00:58:37,220 --> 00:58:32,760
between host and interviewer like six

1248
00:58:39,260 --> 00:58:37,230
years ago we way moved on past that so

1249
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:39,270
they they know that it's going to be

1250
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:40,770
different every time that you're on and

1251
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:45,119
and we're just gonna sit and talk what I

1252
00:58:49,310 --> 00:58:47,040
like about these shows honestly I've

1253
00:58:51,650 --> 00:58:49,320
said this to you before but you you

1254
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:51,660
really genuinely have a way of getting

1255
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:54,000
me to express myself in a way that I

1256
00:58:59,599 --> 00:58:55,650
don't do anywhere else like I don't do

1257
00:59:03,200 --> 00:58:59,609
this I'm I'm more relaxed maybe too

1258
00:59:04,510 --> 00:59:03,210
relaxed sometimes but I am more relaxed

1259
00:59:06,340 --> 00:59:04,520
with you than I am probably

1260
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:06,350
with any other host and I we all

1261
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:08,810
appreciate good conversations absolutely

1262
00:59:13,660 --> 00:59:11,510
and I you you let me you let me unleash

1263
00:59:14,170 --> 00:59:13,670
on you sometimes like that's very nice

1264
00:59:17,860 --> 00:59:14,180
of you

1265
00:59:20,350 --> 00:59:17,870
honestly I give you hell sometimes like

1266
00:59:25,180 --> 00:59:20,360
either in private convert phone calls or

1267
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:25,190
on the air it's happened it happened

1268
00:59:32,830 --> 00:59:30,170
today earlier today you know it yes but

1269
00:59:35,230 --> 00:59:32,840
but this is the other thing and and you

1270
00:59:37,630 --> 00:59:35,240
and I this is funny let's let's just put

1271
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:37,640
this out there we actually talked about

1272
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:46,160
this earlier today and yes will not be

1273
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:49,250
we're not going to go there but that I

1274
00:59:56,770 --> 00:59:55,010
feel that I can push you can push but

1275
00:59:58,300 --> 00:59:56,780
it's only because we're chasing the

1276
01:00:02,170 --> 00:59:58,310
truth and we're trying to figure this

1277
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:02,180
out together that's absolutely the case

1278
01:00:07,530 --> 01:00:04,730
like I think we both recognize and the

1279
01:00:10,330 --> 01:00:07,540
other person that we are genuine we are

1280
01:00:11,740 --> 01:00:10,340
we have certain similar opinions a lot

1281
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:11,750
of similar opinions and we have other

1282
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:14,690
opinions that are different but I I've

1283
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:17,090
always felt that you are in this for

1284
01:00:21,820 --> 01:00:18,650
real and I think you know that I'm in

1285
01:00:23,830 --> 01:00:21,830
this for real so and I think on that

1286
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:23,840
basis we can we could listen to each

1287
01:00:29,170 --> 01:00:27,680
other and I think you listen to me it'll

1288
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:29,180
it'll never change it'll never change

1289
01:00:33,070 --> 01:00:31,010
with that we've got so many people on

1290
01:00:35,130 --> 01:00:33,080
hold let's go right back to it hi you're

1291
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:35,140
live on fade to black who's calling

1292
01:00:41,020 --> 01:00:38,210
along how's it going how are you Jimmy

1293
01:00:43,660 --> 01:00:41,030
it's going good who's this this is

1294
01:00:44,890 --> 01:00:43,670
matsan Winnipeg Manitoba how are you I

1295
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:44,900
say hi to Richard

1296
01:00:48,610 --> 01:00:47,450
Oh Richard hello you're like one of my

1297
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:48,620
biggest fans buddy

1298
01:00:53,980 --> 01:00:51,920
I'm telling you hey Matt meet you nice

1299
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:53,990
to meet you too I'm driven up by your

1300
01:00:59,350 --> 01:00:57,050
idea of creating a technology where

1301
01:01:01,690 --> 01:00:59,360
everybody can you know have the free

1302
01:01:04,750 --> 01:01:01,700
energy technology but still you know be

1303
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:04,760
able to print it on 3d printers and just

1304
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:07,730
animate looking away by that in fact is

1305
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:09,770
I'm so driven by that most of my

1306
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:12,110
university studies are actually you know

1307
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,810
working on ways of making that possible

1308
01:01:19,509 --> 01:01:16,880
against the establishment

1309
01:01:21,609 --> 01:01:19,519
and I owe it to you I love that I love

1310
01:01:24,970 --> 01:01:21,619
hearing that because honestly it's it

1311
01:01:26,980 --> 01:01:24,980
might be one of the only chances truly

1312
01:01:29,650 --> 01:01:26,990
one of the only chances that ordinary

1313
01:01:32,499 --> 01:01:29,660
people have to retain any measure of

1314
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:32,509
Independence in this world like the

1315
01:01:38,589 --> 01:01:36,410
ability and the idea just I've been

1316
01:01:42,210 --> 01:01:38,599
working this idea over and over for

1317
01:01:44,170 --> 01:01:42,220
years now but it just combines

1318
01:01:47,049 --> 01:01:44,180
understanding of advanced next

1319
01:01:48,910 --> 01:01:47,059
generation 3d printing where you can

1320
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:48,920
work I mean actually it's already here

1321
01:01:51,759 --> 01:01:50,450
where you can work with mixed materials

1322
01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:51,769
and sometimes in a very sophisticated

1323
01:01:55,779 --> 01:01:54,470
way even printing things like integrated

1324
01:02:00,430 --> 01:01:55,789
circuits or at least putting the circuit

1325
01:02:01,569 --> 01:02:00,440
boards with you know I remembered after

1326
01:02:04,450 --> 01:02:01,579
coming back from a conference

1327
01:02:06,430 --> 01:02:04,460
breakthrough energy meeting a lot of

1328
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:06,440
young people and being very impressed by

1329
01:02:11,799 --> 01:02:09,440
a lot of amazing ideas some of which I

1330
01:02:15,579 --> 01:02:11,809
I'm going to take a wild guess are not

1331
01:02:17,769 --> 01:02:15,589
bogus so yeah I thought was there's

1332
01:02:20,170 --> 01:02:17,779
gonna be some smart person in some part

1333
01:02:21,940 --> 01:02:20,180
of the part of the world who might just

1334
01:02:24,849 --> 01:02:21,950
upload a CAD version of their next

1335
01:02:26,769 --> 01:02:24,859
generation free energy device that you

1336
01:02:29,980 --> 01:02:26,779
could 3d print in your living room

1337
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:29,990
and then go off the grid I've got a few

1338
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:32,960
ideas Richard I do I'm you know you know

1339
01:02:36,430 --> 01:02:34,609
anything is there a lot of these ideas

1340
01:02:39,430 --> 01:02:36,440
are coming from starting to look very

1341
01:02:41,650 --> 01:02:39,440
very very deep into that bloody a tip

1342
01:02:45,309 --> 01:02:41,660
list that keep got that got leaked Dodi

1343
01:02:47,650 --> 01:02:45,319
and you know like I started looking at

1344
01:02:49,930 --> 01:02:47,660
things there's a energy from our effects

1345
01:02:52,269 --> 01:02:49,940
of quantum vacuum in' and you know

1346
01:02:55,059 --> 01:02:52,279
high-frequency gravitational waves and i

1347
01:02:56,890 --> 01:02:55,069
must go down the list right now and when

1348
01:02:59,710 --> 01:02:56,900
you start looking at and these people

1349
01:03:01,960 --> 01:02:59,720
individually and I'm just like holy crap

1350
01:03:03,999 --> 01:03:01,970
you know you've got so much bloody

1351
01:03:06,490 --> 01:03:04,009
research that you can sit back and piece

1352
01:03:08,170 --> 01:03:06,500
together things like a legal war and

1353
01:03:11,710 --> 01:03:08,180
it's just like laid it right out in

1354
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:11,720
front of you you know yeah yeah that

1355
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:14,089
makes me so happy to hear yeah you know

1356
01:03:16,990 --> 01:03:15,529
you know what else anything else this

1357
01:03:19,299 --> 01:03:17,000
will make you happy to hear this too

1358
01:03:22,329 --> 01:03:19,309
okay I'm a student at the University of

1359
01:03:24,460 --> 01:03:22,339
Manitoba and I go in and I take this

1360
01:03:26,620 --> 01:03:24,470
list so and I bring it to all my

1361
01:03:28,930 --> 01:03:26,630
university professors I like I belittle

1362
01:03:29,829 --> 01:03:28,940
II go into the office and I close down

1363
01:03:32,620 --> 01:03:29,839
their doors

1364
01:03:34,929 --> 01:03:32,630
and I've got people here that are so

1365
01:03:37,209 --> 01:03:34,939
taken away by some of the things the

1366
01:03:38,829 --> 01:03:37,219
research materials and items that I've

1367
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:38,839
been popping up and they're like and

1368
01:03:41,529 --> 01:03:40,249
they sit back and they fall back of

1369
01:03:43,660 --> 01:03:41,539
their chairs and just like why the hell

1370
01:03:46,089 --> 01:03:43,670
did I not think about that when I did my

1371
01:03:47,859 --> 01:03:46,099
masters or when I did my PhD like how

1372
01:03:50,109 --> 01:03:47,869
the hell did you come up with this how

1373
01:03:53,380 --> 01:03:50,119
did you find this how you have time for

1374
01:03:57,219 --> 01:03:53,390
this and I'm sitting back and just like

1375
01:03:59,499 --> 01:03:57,229
listen we we need like I need to be able

1376
01:04:01,479 --> 01:03:59,509
to like contact like for instance dr.

1377
01:04:03,189 --> 01:04:01,489
kit green because I've got people in the

1378
01:04:04,569 --> 01:04:03,199
University of Manitoba that would

1379
01:04:07,979 --> 01:04:04,579
probably be willing to sell their

1380
01:04:12,579 --> 01:04:07,989
firstborn just to hear this man talk and

1381
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:12,589
it is made such a a debt I've made such

1382
01:04:17,949 --> 01:04:15,680
a dent in the engineering department of

1383
01:04:20,949 --> 01:04:17,959
the University of Manitoba where I've

1384
01:04:23,319 --> 01:04:20,959
even had to put in a notice to my Dean I

1385
01:04:26,289 --> 01:04:23,329
telling me listen you know you look at

1386
01:04:28,689 --> 01:04:26,299
the nimitz encounter you look at the you

1387
01:04:31,179 --> 01:04:28,699
know this this particular a tip list and

1388
01:04:33,189 --> 01:04:31,189
you know tell me where the gas tanks and

1389
01:04:34,689 --> 01:04:33,199
half these things that you see why is it

1390
01:04:36,370 --> 01:04:34,699
that when I go on to the Government of

1391
01:04:38,679 --> 01:04:36,380
Canada website and there are federal

1392
01:04:41,410 --> 01:04:38,689
archives and you see a notice for you

1393
01:04:43,299 --> 01:04:41,420
know UFOs that nobody has ever mentioned

1394
01:04:45,489 --> 01:04:43,309
where the gas tanks are yet we got to

1395
01:04:47,709 --> 01:04:45,499
plow over an entire force to get you

1396
01:04:49,900 --> 01:04:47,719
know oil and and yet none of that's ever

1397
01:04:51,849 --> 01:04:49,910
noticed most people that I talk to in

1398
01:04:54,370 --> 01:04:51,859
the university don't even realize that

1399
01:04:56,169 --> 01:04:54,380
that's right there under their noses so

1400
01:04:57,969 --> 01:04:56,179
when you sit back and you agitate this

1401
01:05:00,910 --> 01:04:57,979
stuff up to the surface I'm just like

1402
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:00,920
wow and everybody else is like wow and

1403
01:05:05,199 --> 01:05:03,410
you know I think you're you're doing

1404
01:05:07,209 --> 01:05:05,209
something that a lot of people need to

1405
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:07,219
understand which is that if you want the

1406
01:05:10,539 --> 01:05:09,170
conversation to change in this world

1407
01:05:13,299 --> 01:05:10,549
you got to change the conversation

1408
01:05:17,229 --> 01:05:13,309
yourself so like you're actually doing

1409
01:05:19,749 --> 01:05:17,239
this and and that's that's what we need

1410
01:05:22,479 --> 01:05:19,759
we need people like you I really want

1411
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:22,489
you to succeed on this and it sounds

1412
01:05:26,829 --> 01:05:24,529
like you've got great ideas to move

1413
01:05:31,630 --> 01:05:26,839
forward on it the pieces are coming into

1414
01:05:34,179 --> 01:05:31,640
place in our world where like smart

1415
01:05:35,890 --> 01:05:34,189
people like yourself might just be able

1416
01:05:38,109 --> 01:05:35,900
to put something together the the

1417
01:05:39,910 --> 01:05:38,119
problem that we're going to face is

1418
01:05:42,809 --> 01:05:39,920
actually legal and bureaucratic

1419
01:05:45,239 --> 01:05:42,819
intransigence so for example

1420
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:45,249
one of the fears that I have is you come

1421
01:05:49,859 --> 01:05:47,410
up with a really great free energy idea

1422
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:49,869
and your patent is denied even though

1423
01:05:54,449 --> 01:05:51,609
you're Canadian it might run up against

1424
01:05:57,509 --> 01:05:54,459
a US patent and US and Canada have got

1425
01:06:01,079 --> 01:05:57,519
integrated legal structure in many ways

1426
01:06:03,989 --> 01:06:01,089
and they may prevent you I'm just

1427
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:03,999
theorizing here from going forward with

1428
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:05,650
your invention because you're coming up

1429
01:06:09,479 --> 01:06:07,839
against a black world classified patent

1430
01:06:11,009 --> 01:06:09,489
that's never going to be allowed to see

1431
01:06:13,890 --> 01:06:11,019
the light of day so what we have to do

1432
01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:13,900
is move as fast as possible and come up

1433
01:06:18,539 --> 01:06:15,849
with these things and just upload it and

1434
01:06:20,489 --> 01:06:18,549
get it out there to the world I just

1435
01:06:23,900 --> 01:06:20,499
love the idea of what you're doing so

1436
01:06:26,699 --> 01:06:23,910
like I know I owe it to you you know you

1437
01:06:28,409 --> 01:06:26,709
when I saw your presentations I'm

1438
01:06:29,789 --> 01:06:28,419
telling you I wish I could just run up

1439
01:06:31,529 --> 01:06:29,799
on the stage and just give you the

1440
01:06:33,839 --> 01:06:31,539
biggest massive bear hug for like an

1441
01:06:37,199 --> 01:06:33,849
hour and a half until your face is blue

1442
01:06:39,630 --> 01:06:37,209
okay I love your ideas I love your work

1443
01:06:42,479 --> 01:06:39,640
I can't I can't live another day without

1444
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:42,489
Richard Dolan wow that's strong that's

1445
01:06:50,819 --> 01:06:48,640
strong that's strong that's Matt enjoy

1446
01:06:52,799 --> 01:06:50,829
the rest of the night and your weekend

1447
01:06:55,559 --> 01:06:52,809
my man thank you so much thank you very

1448
01:06:57,679 --> 01:06:55,569
much hey gobekli tepe buddy go back li

1449
01:07:00,509 --> 01:06:57,689
tapi that's what I'm talking about

1450
01:07:03,229 --> 01:07:00,519
Richard man you got a fan club wow that

1451
01:07:08,339 --> 01:07:06,390
well you know but see the thing is I

1452
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:08,349
literally think my face is red right now

1453
01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:14,650
do you remember I don't know one of the

1454
01:07:18,779 --> 01:07:16,809
first times that I because I introduced

1455
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:18,789
you at nearly every conference that we

1456
01:07:22,169 --> 01:07:19,359
do together

1457
01:07:26,399 --> 01:07:22,179
yeah but going all the way back you know

1458
01:07:30,109 --> 01:07:26,409
four or five years when I would say to

1459
01:07:33,269 --> 01:07:30,119
the audience that you are the guy that

1460
01:07:36,269 --> 01:07:33,279
represents me you're the face that

1461
01:07:39,989 --> 01:07:36,279
represents us and I would always go back

1462
01:07:44,099 --> 01:07:39,999
and reference the the citizens hearing

1463
01:07:46,949 --> 01:07:44,109
ten minute video and but but I think

1464
01:07:51,149 --> 01:07:46,959
that that's sort of in an organic way

1465
01:07:53,519 --> 01:07:51,159
taken hold that people do appreciate the

1466
01:07:55,859 --> 01:07:53,529
way that you represent us because they

1467
01:07:56,490 --> 01:07:55,869
know if they turn their friends or

1468
01:08:00,570 --> 01:07:56,500
parent

1469
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:00,580
or co-workers or teachers on to you that

1470
01:08:06,450 --> 01:08:03,250
it's not going to be embarrassing right

1471
01:08:08,700 --> 01:08:06,460
that it's not you know and I think

1472
01:08:12,810 --> 01:08:08,710
that's a where where so many are coming

1473
01:08:15,630 --> 01:08:12,820
from now it's a simple I I really truly

1474
01:08:18,780 --> 01:08:15,640
appreciate that from you and but it

1475
01:08:21,150 --> 01:08:18,790
really comes down for me always to

1476
01:08:23,220 --> 01:08:21,160
remember what is it that matters and

1477
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:23,230
it's not me that matters it is never

1478
01:08:27,570 --> 01:08:24,730
made that matters it's always a subject

1479
01:08:29,039 --> 01:08:27,580
matter I I don't like to do I mean I

1480
01:08:31,890 --> 01:08:29,049
have a fun time chatting with you about

1481
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:31,900
all kinds of interesting things that are

1482
01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:34,330
off the main topic but for me it's

1483
01:08:39,390 --> 01:08:36,310
always about coming to the main topic

1484
01:08:41,039 --> 01:08:39,400
which is for me as a UFO reality the

1485
01:08:43,019 --> 01:08:41,049
fact that there is something very very

1486
01:08:46,590 --> 01:08:43,029
critically important that's missing from

1487
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:46,600
our worldview and to remind people of

1488
01:08:52,980 --> 01:08:50,770
this I firmly know that people around

1489
01:08:56,150 --> 01:08:52,990
the world have a hunger that they do not

1490
01:09:00,019 --> 01:08:56,160
know they have like there's a hunger for

1491
01:09:03,150 --> 01:09:00,029
truth and they don't know they have it

1492
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:03,160
until they encounter that truth like

1493
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:04,930
I've seen a thousand times mm-hmm

1494
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:07,690
one-on-one with people so for me it's a

1495
01:09:13,860 --> 01:09:10,210
matter of remembering what is important

1496
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:13,870
and what is not important and and it

1497
01:09:19,650 --> 01:09:16,210
what's not important is me what is

1498
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:19,660
important is this subject and so I ever

1499
01:09:24,599 --> 01:09:21,730
want to lose sight of that I have fun

1500
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:24,609
and I love I have loved the people that

1501
01:09:28,289 --> 01:09:26,560
I've met in the 20 years or so that I've

1502
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:28,299
been a public person in this field

1503
01:09:32,610 --> 01:09:30,250
there's so many brilliant fascinating

1504
01:09:34,980 --> 01:09:32,620
people and and I'm someone who I think

1505
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:34,990
that I naturally like to enjoy life and

1506
01:09:40,170 --> 01:09:37,930
I like to laugh and and I'm married to a

1507
01:09:44,610 --> 01:09:40,180
wonderful woman and and life is good but

1508
01:09:47,070 --> 01:09:44,620
I do want to represent this field as

1509
01:09:51,809 --> 01:09:47,080
well as I can always it's very important

1510
01:09:54,059 --> 01:09:51,819
to me it's very important so any of that

1511
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:54,069
let's go back to the Richard Owen fan

1512
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:56,080
club hotline hi you're live on fade to

1513
01:10:01,800 --> 01:09:56,610
black

1514
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:01,810
whose golly fan boy it's Paul from sunny

1515
01:10:06,990 --> 01:10:04,330
Grants Pass again hi Paul want to thank

1516
01:10:09,989 --> 01:10:07,000
hi I want to thank you for doing this

1517
01:10:11,549 --> 01:10:09,999
you will love me too contact

1518
01:10:13,859 --> 01:10:11,559
two of the people that have always

1519
01:10:17,219 --> 01:10:13,869
wanted to talk with well free telling

1520
01:10:20,939 --> 01:10:17,229
you and and I really truly appreciate

1521
01:10:26,910 --> 01:10:20,949
what you're doing with that Richard you

1522
01:10:31,709 --> 01:10:26,920
are the sober minded face to a a pretty

1523
01:10:33,959 --> 01:10:31,719
chaotic community a lot of times in my

1524
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:33,969
mind I've got three questions for you

1525
01:10:39,870 --> 01:10:37,150
but I did want to did one at pass you

1526
01:10:42,899 --> 01:10:39,880
that compliment I I know when I think

1527
01:10:45,719 --> 01:10:42,909
you listen to something that you say

1528
01:10:47,609 --> 01:10:45,729
that it has been carefully researched it

1529
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:47,619
has been careful and thought about and

1530
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:51,130
and it it represents the truth is we can

1531
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:53,920
know it now okay question number one

1532
01:10:59,370 --> 01:10:57,489
call number one I'll just ask all three

1533
01:11:01,469 --> 01:10:59,380
and take my answers off here question

1534
01:11:04,379 --> 01:11:01,479
number one what is the most compelling

1535
01:11:08,009 --> 01:11:04,389
case that you've researched question

1536
01:11:09,959 --> 01:11:08,019
number two how do you think that these

1537
01:11:13,229 --> 01:11:09,969
people are getting here or are they

1538
01:11:15,390 --> 01:11:13,239
already here and then finally who are

1539
01:11:19,819 --> 01:11:15,400
the up-and-coming voices in our

1540
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:19,829
community three great questions Paul and

1541
01:11:25,379 --> 01:11:22,090
let's start with the first one thank you

1542
01:11:29,489 --> 01:11:25,389
so much Paul for the phone call question

1543
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:29,499
number one the most compelling case in

1544
01:11:36,569 --> 01:11:34,690
your opinion there's a few it's funny I

1545
01:11:38,069 --> 01:11:36,579
was asked this question a number of

1546
01:11:40,620 --> 01:11:38,079
years ago by George Noory out of the

1547
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:40,630
blue Richard what was the what's the

1548
01:11:46,350 --> 01:11:43,570
best UFO case you know of caught me off

1549
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:46,360
guard and at that time I said the 1976

1550
01:11:54,450 --> 01:11:50,800
case of a UFO over Tehran which might

1551
01:11:56,430 --> 01:11:54,460
still get my vote well actually maybe

1552
01:11:59,160 --> 01:11:56,440
the tick speck UFO might have supplanted

1553
01:12:02,310 --> 01:11:59,170
it but the Iranian case of 76 is very

1554
01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:02,320
strong because you've got that magical

1555
01:12:07,739 --> 01:12:05,369
combination of incredible eyewitnesses

1556
01:12:11,069 --> 01:12:07,749
government records attesting to the

1557
01:12:13,319 --> 01:12:11,079
reality of the case and absolutely

1558
01:12:14,700 --> 01:12:13,329
utterly impossibility 'z that were being

1559
01:12:16,469 --> 01:12:14,710
demonstrated by an object that just

1560
01:12:20,399 --> 01:12:16,479
wasn't supposed to exist so that's one

1561
01:12:23,700 --> 01:12:20,409
September 1976 but actually I I think

1562
01:12:32,820 --> 01:12:23,710
that the tick-tack UFO case

1563
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:32,830
November of 2002 is 2004 my brain is

1564
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:35,290
just just spazzed out there for a second

1565
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:38,320
I'm thinking of the DC case I think the

1566
01:12:43,950 --> 01:12:41,530
tic-tac case is right up there you've

1567
01:12:46,590 --> 01:12:43,960
got a number of amazing witnesses

1568
01:12:49,020 --> 01:12:46,600
you've got radar you've got the

1569
01:12:51,210 --> 01:12:49,030
description of an object that's no one

1570
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:51,220
has been able to describe how this thing

1571
01:12:56,010 --> 01:12:53,650
does what it does so I would say those

1572
01:12:57,210 --> 01:12:56,020
are those are my two favorite cases

1573
01:12:59,100 --> 01:12:57,220
right now and I think they're very

1574
01:13:01,920 --> 01:12:59,110
strong there's a there's a large number

1575
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:01,930
of very good cases going back to the

1576
01:13:09,870 --> 01:13:07,570
1940s in the Declassified literature but

1577
01:13:11,390 --> 01:13:09,880
I'll pass by those how are they getting

1578
01:13:14,490 --> 01:13:11,400
here

1579
01:13:17,940 --> 01:13:14,500
look I'm just taking a guess anyone else

1580
01:13:21,330 --> 01:13:17,950
here I mean I can't I can't go into the

1581
01:13:23,580 --> 01:13:21,340
physics other other than to say they've

1582
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:23,590
found a way to defeat space and time as

1583
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:26,050
we understand it we have scientists

1584
01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:29,760
right now who are exploring methods of

1585
01:13:35,730 --> 01:13:33,510
let's say bending space-time or

1586
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:35,740
manipulating space-time metrics as they

1587
01:13:41,940 --> 01:13:39,130
call it to be able to what it sounds

1588
01:13:45,300 --> 01:13:41,950
like to me is do an end run about the

1589
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:45,310
speed of light limitation so if you're

1590
01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:48,250
able to manipulate space and time within

1591
01:13:53,540 --> 01:13:50,710
a particular bubble you remain within

1592
01:13:58,430 --> 01:13:53,550
that bubble you're not breaking any of

1593
01:14:01,890 --> 01:13:58,440
Newton's laws of physics but you are

1594
01:14:04,260 --> 01:14:01,900
warping space in front and extending it

1595
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:04,270
behind you and I have a feeling that's

1596
01:14:09,900 --> 01:14:07,120
how they're getting here yeah probably a

1597
01:14:13,860 --> 01:14:09,910
long time sort of Jimmy I I agree with

1598
01:14:18,330 --> 01:14:13,870
that and I've had so many physicists on

1599
01:14:21,390 --> 01:14:18,340
the show to discuss this and the one

1600
01:14:24,150 --> 01:14:21,400
point when we talk about you know faster

1601
01:14:26,910 --> 01:14:24,160
than light you know travel and and those

1602
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:26,920
concepts which are there and I

1603
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:29,250
understand it but when we talk about

1604
01:14:36,290 --> 01:14:34,810
warp drives and it's not what most

1605
01:14:39,740 --> 01:14:36,300
people don't

1606
01:14:43,850 --> 01:14:39,750
they think they think Star Trek right

1607
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:43,860
where the actual concept of a warp drive

1608
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:46,080
there isn't time

1609
01:14:51,380 --> 01:14:48,570
there isn't speed there isn't anything

1610
01:14:54,770 --> 01:14:51,390
like that there you're literally taking

1611
01:14:58,160 --> 01:14:54,780
the gap out of wherever you are going to

1612
01:14:59,920 --> 01:14:58,170
and where you are and removing it so

1613
01:15:02,300 --> 01:14:59,930
it's just like taking a step forward

1614
01:15:05,660 --> 01:15:02,310
that's it that's that's all you're doing

1615
01:15:08,300 --> 01:15:05,670
you are literally yeah you're taking a

1616
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:08,310
step so there is no time involved there

1617
01:15:14,140 --> 01:15:10,560
is no speed of light involved you are

1618
01:15:19,610 --> 01:15:14,150
just going from one point to another now

1619
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:19,620
not in a little bit but instantaneously

1620
01:15:28,460 --> 01:15:23,090
and that that eliminates all of the

1621
01:15:30,700 --> 01:15:28,470
complications of food sleep aging the

1622
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:30,710
biometrics all of that stuff it

1623
01:15:36,500 --> 01:15:33,810
logistics all of that is removed you are

1624
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:36,510
literally manipulating the very fabric

1625
01:15:40,340 --> 01:15:38,850
of reality in order to transport

1626
01:15:43,570 --> 01:15:40,350
yourself I mean that's what it's kind of

1627
01:15:46,430 --> 01:15:43,580
like and it's it's a bit beyond our

1628
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:46,440
scientific understanding fully right now

1629
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:50,130
but I think someone others have figured

1630
01:15:54,980 --> 01:15:52,320
this one out and they're they're using

1631
01:15:56,990 --> 01:15:54,990
it and the day will very likely come

1632
01:15:59,000 --> 01:15:57,000
when we figure it out as well no and

1633
01:16:01,760 --> 01:15:59,010
that's the last question up-and-comers

1634
01:16:04,970 --> 01:16:01,770
yeah the the young voices today who are

1635
01:16:06,980 --> 01:16:04,980
you listening to well there's there's

1636
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:06,990
one guy who he's really not that young

1637
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:08,490
but he feels young every time I talk to

1638
01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:10,320
him and that's Michael shraddh he's been

1639
01:16:14,570 --> 01:16:11,910
around for a long time he's great but I

1640
01:16:16,910 --> 01:16:14,580
feel like Michael is still I think of

1641
01:16:21,130 --> 01:16:16,920
him as a young voice that people need to

1642
01:16:26,210 --> 01:16:21,140
know about he's an absolutely amazing

1643
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:26,220
researcher who is only got integrity he

1644
01:16:31,310 --> 01:16:28,800
is absolute integrity in his work and he

1645
01:16:33,260 --> 01:16:31,320
is an aviation expert to boot I always

1646
01:16:34,610 --> 01:16:33,270
loved listening to Michael and I talk to

1647
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:34,620
him as much as I can

1648
01:16:40,730 --> 01:16:38,730
as far as young researchers I've been

1649
01:16:43,070 --> 01:16:40,740
looking you know like who are the young

1650
01:16:46,010 --> 01:16:43,080
people that really we want to latch on

1651
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:46,020
to well there's a few of the young guys

1652
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:48,690
who do wouldn't grant camera and dub the

1653
01:16:52,020 --> 01:16:48,970
young

1654
01:16:53,370 --> 01:16:52,030
guns people like Danny Silva I think

1655
01:16:56,910 --> 01:16:53,380
there's really great work Juliana

1656
01:16:58,860 --> 01:16:56,920
Markovic and fellow named James II and

1657
01:17:02,370 --> 01:16:58,870
Olli who I'm friendly with all of them

1658
01:17:06,030 --> 01:17:02,380
and I think they're interesting to me I

1659
01:17:07,410 --> 01:17:06,040
would like to see them do even more but

1660
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:07,420
they're they're definitely worth

1661
01:17:13,530 --> 01:17:10,330
following I'm in touch with a young ish

1662
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:13,540
man who's not published other than

1663
01:17:18,540 --> 01:17:16,480
having done the deep deep analysis of

1664
01:17:22,110 --> 01:17:18,550
the Wilson document it's a 31 page

1665
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:22,120
analysis that is absolutely incredible

1666
01:17:28,020 --> 01:17:25,600
and I would love to see him make a

1667
01:17:31,260 --> 01:17:28,030
bigger imprint on the world of ufology

1668
01:17:32,910 --> 01:17:31,270
he wants to be anonymous right now but

1669
01:17:38,100 --> 01:17:32,920
in my opinion he's absolutely brilliant

1670
01:17:39,570 --> 01:17:38,110
and I want him to do more work for this

1671
01:17:41,670 --> 01:17:39,580
field because we could really use him

1672
01:17:46,260 --> 01:17:41,680
well and we're gonna take a break right

1673
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:46,270
here but one of the things that I really

1674
01:17:50,130 --> 01:17:49,210
appreciate is that you and I are no

1675
01:17:54,090 --> 01:17:50,140
longer young

1676
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:54,100
even though I feel when you look at you

1677
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:56,320
know you know like Stanton Friedman or

1678
01:18:01,140 --> 01:17:58,960
other researchers that are out there

1679
01:18:05,330 --> 01:18:01,150
that are older than you and I we're

1680
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:05,340
actually the new generation of research

1681
01:18:11,340 --> 01:18:07,930
compared to people in their 80s right

1682
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:11,350
right but when when you and I are at

1683
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:14,530
conferences and you just look around and

1684
01:18:23,010 --> 01:18:17,970
it is not blue hair

1685
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:23,020
there is a generation out there you know

1686
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:28,210
from 15 years to 25 to 30 year that is

1687
01:18:34,350 --> 01:18:31,090
taking over I mean it is and their

1688
01:18:36,150 --> 01:18:34,360
knowledge of the subject is astounding

1689
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:36,160
when you sit and talk to them they

1690
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:38,890
really do the research and they take it

1691
01:18:47,670 --> 01:18:42,370
very very serious and I am very I feel

1692
01:18:50,010 --> 01:18:47,680
that we're in good hands I think so I

1693
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:50,020
think that there are a lot of smart

1694
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:51,730
young people who are gravitating to this

1695
01:18:56,580 --> 01:18:54,250
field I agree with that I definitely

1696
01:18:59,240 --> 01:18:56,590
want to encourage as much of a

1697
01:19:01,340 --> 01:18:59,250
scientific orientation as possible a

1698
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,350
among all young people who enter the

1699
01:19:05,510 --> 01:19:03,360
field it doesn't mean don't go into some

1700
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:05,520
move from time to time by all means do

1701
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:08,610
it but please I I really want to see

1702
01:19:12,830 --> 01:19:10,850
people stay grounded scientifically and

1703
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:12,840
definitely it helps to have a good

1704
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:15,120
historical understanding of the

1705
01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:17,370
phenomenon itself i I couldn't stress

1706
01:19:22,100 --> 01:19:19,110
that enough and I think I mean I'm

1707
01:19:25,220 --> 01:19:22,110
partial to my own perspective I I spent

1708
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:25,230
a lot of time learning the case history

1709
01:19:30,530 --> 01:19:28,050
inside and out at the same time as

1710
01:19:33,470 --> 01:19:30,540
knowing the history of our global

1711
01:19:35,900 --> 01:19:33,480
politics geopolitics and the nature of

1712
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:35,910
secrecy itself and we we cannot lose

1713
01:19:42,020 --> 01:19:39,690
sight of that like you know young people

1714
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:42,030
just honestly often haven't had enough

1715
01:19:47,420 --> 01:19:45,210
time frankly to learn all of those

1716
01:19:49,190 --> 01:19:47,430
elements of deception that exists in

1717
01:19:52,370 --> 01:19:49,200
this world it's one thing to say they're

1718
01:19:54,380 --> 01:19:52,380
all Liars or all deceivers but it's

1719
01:19:56,990 --> 01:19:54,390
really important to understand the

1720
01:19:58,940 --> 01:19:57,000
details and the nuance of that and how

1721
01:20:00,410 --> 01:19:58,950
these systems work I mean it's taken me

1722
01:20:04,130 --> 01:20:00,420
four years and I've dedicated myself

1723
01:20:08,110 --> 01:20:04,140
it's not easy so I really believe that a

1724
01:20:10,970 --> 01:20:08,120
sophisticated political geopolitical

1725
01:20:12,500 --> 01:20:10,980
economic background historical

1726
01:20:15,230 --> 01:20:12,510
background all of this is important as

1727
01:20:17,810 --> 01:20:15,240
well as understanding that there is a

1728
01:20:18,170 --> 01:20:17,820
phenomenon here if it doesn't exist in a

1729
01:20:22,460 --> 01:20:18,180
vacuum

1730
01:20:26,630 --> 01:20:22,470
can you take a minute and tell me how

1731
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:26,640
you when you go to Wu right and and we

1732
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:29,010
all do it how do you pull yourself back

1733
01:20:36,260 --> 01:20:33,840
to Center that's simple I I always

1734
01:20:39,740 --> 01:20:36,270
remind myself there's a distinction

1735
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:39,750
between what I know and what I think is

1736
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:41,760
interesting or what I think is possible

1737
01:20:47,660 --> 01:20:45,600
so it's like a it's like a body that has

1738
01:20:50,660 --> 01:20:47,670
a skeleton and the scale of the bones

1739
01:20:52,700 --> 01:20:50,670
the skeleton is the facts the facts that

1740
01:20:55,820 --> 01:20:52,710
you absolutely know and on that you

1741
01:20:58,340 --> 01:20:55,830
build your theories it cannot be

1742
01:21:00,440 --> 01:20:58,350
otherwise so you have to know what you

1743
01:21:01,850 --> 01:21:00,450
know and you've got to be really tough

1744
01:21:03,860 --> 01:21:01,860
on it you got to be rigorous and you

1745
01:21:05,480 --> 01:21:03,870
have to be prepared to say to yourself

1746
01:21:08,780 --> 01:21:05,490
wow I thought I was right but I was

1747
01:21:12,650 --> 01:21:08,790
wrong you have to do that and and it's

1748
01:21:14,030 --> 01:21:12,660
and there's nothing wrong ever what's

1749
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:14,040
a chelating on the basis of what you

1750
01:21:17,570 --> 01:21:16,560
know is true that's perfectly legit but

1751
01:21:19,930 --> 01:21:17,580
you've got to know when you're

1752
01:21:24,020 --> 01:21:19,940
speculating and don't confuse

1753
01:21:26,750 --> 01:21:24,030
speculation with knowledge it's a big

1754
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:26,760
mistake you gotta know when you're going

1755
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:28,650
out on a limb yeah there's got to be a

1756
01:21:32,570 --> 01:21:30,960
balance there but if you go back to I

1757
01:21:36,980 --> 01:21:32,580
mean there has to be a balance but if

1758
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:36,990
you go back to somebody like Galileo or

1759
01:21:45,500 --> 01:21:41,010
Copernicus right we're back then the

1760
01:21:47,420 --> 01:21:45,510
stars were part of one layer right

1761
01:21:51,410 --> 01:21:47,430
that's what they thought it was just one

1762
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:51,420
layer that was going around they didn't

1763
01:21:57,890 --> 01:21:55,770
have it it took them to go out and

1764
01:22:01,670 --> 01:21:57,900
beyond that that maybe there's something

1765
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:01,680
else going on here and that's that's

1766
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:03,930
where the balance is you've got to be

1767
01:22:09,490 --> 01:22:05,760
because that kind of speculation back

1768
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:09,500
then got you killed right it's so

1769
01:22:14,450 --> 01:22:12,690
absolutely good yeah yeah let's take our

1770
01:22:17,390 --> 01:22:14,460
break right here our guest tonight this

1771
01:22:20,300 --> 01:22:17,400
is by the way night four of our open

1772
01:22:22,220 --> 01:22:20,310
lines week with Richard Dolan all of

1773
01:22:24,980 --> 01:22:22,230
your phone calls are next after this

1774
01:22:27,300 --> 01:22:24,990
short break seven four seven two two

1775
01:22:38,580 --> 01:22:27,310
eight two zero five one stay right there

1776
01:22:43,260 --> 01:22:41,040
all right welcome back fade to black I

1777
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:43,270
am your host Jimmy Church tonight night

1778
01:22:49,950 --> 01:22:46,690
four of our open wines week what a great

1779
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:49,960
week it's been and tonight it is Richard

1780
01:22:55,740 --> 01:22:52,960
Owen wrapping up the week with us all

1781
01:22:58,340 --> 01:22:55,750
right and yeah this is the kind of fate

1782
01:23:01,050 --> 01:22:58,350
or night that that I really enjoy

1783
01:23:04,530 --> 01:23:01,060
normally we are doing open lines tonight

1784
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:04,540
and Richard it's still open lines it's

1785
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:07,570
just a different flurry and you get to

1786
01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:09,850
take the pressure off of me

1787
01:23:14,730 --> 01:23:12,310
so thank you for that you're quite

1788
01:23:17,550 --> 01:23:14,740
welcome sir and may I just commend you

1789
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:17,560
again on the quality of your callers

1790
01:23:20,130 --> 01:23:19,690
seriously the best they've been quite

1791
01:23:22,230 --> 01:23:20,140
amazing

1792
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:22,240
that's the let's let's see what's up

1793
01:23:27,870 --> 01:23:23,890
next hi you're live on fade to black

1794
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:27,880
who's calling hi Jimmy this is Malcolm

1795
01:23:33,780 --> 01:23:30,130
Brenner from Port Charlotte Florida and

1796
01:23:36,510 --> 01:23:33,790
mr. Dolan didn't get to life many times

1797
01:23:40,410 --> 01:23:36,520
been amused entertained and informed by

1798
01:23:42,330 --> 01:23:40,420
your program so thank you for that

1799
01:23:48,060 --> 01:23:42,340
Malcolm Malcolm what did you got for

1800
01:23:50,250 --> 01:23:48,070
rayon well I'd like to ask Richard which

1801
01:23:52,940 --> 01:23:50,260
he thinks was going to have the greater

1802
01:23:59,810 --> 01:23:52,950
impact on society

1803
01:24:09,540 --> 01:24:06,540
what disclosure dolphin dolphins yeah I

1804
01:24:11,340 --> 01:24:09,550
guess my instinct would be to say UFO

1805
01:24:13,290 --> 01:24:11,350
disclosure because I I don't know if I

1806
01:24:17,220 --> 01:24:13,300
would understand what dolphin disclosure

1807
01:24:19,620 --> 01:24:17,230
is well the fact that we've evolved on

1808
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:19,630
earth of these creatures living in the

1809
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:21,280
ocean alongside us which were

1810
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:23,610
functionally our equivalent on

1811
01:24:29,790 --> 01:24:27,010
brain-wise and you know in behavioral

1812
01:24:31,710 --> 01:24:29,800
terms but they don't have opposable

1813
01:24:32,910 --> 01:24:31,720
thumbs they don't use to cry or they

1814
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:32,920
really don't need to manufacture

1815
01:24:38,060 --> 01:24:35,290
anything they've been you know where

1816
01:24:39,930 --> 01:24:38,070
they are for 12 million years there are

1817
01:24:44,490 --> 01:24:39,940
communications of probably largely

1818
01:24:47,190 --> 01:24:44,500
emergence but I think we can learn

1819
01:24:49,410 --> 01:24:47,200
something from them because they aren't

1820
01:24:52,259 --> 01:24:49,420
animal that can penetrate the human

1821
01:24:54,810 --> 01:24:52,269
minds telepathically and you

1822
01:24:56,549 --> 01:24:54,820
other animal I know can do that is the

1823
01:24:59,339 --> 01:24:56,559
pre-service this you know with these

1824
01:25:03,060 --> 01:24:59,349
free bird calls the visitor the ones in

1825
01:25:05,399 --> 01:25:03,070
those who lose mm-hmm okay

1826
01:25:07,500 --> 01:25:05,409
eat maybe you have a point there I I

1827
01:25:11,129 --> 01:25:07,510
wouldn't necessarily want to dispute you

1828
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:11,139
on this you know I I think dolphins and

1829
01:25:16,739 --> 01:25:14,530
potentially whales as well are I mean

1830
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:16,749
obviously they're highly intelligent we

1831
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:18,610
all know that we all know that they have

1832
01:25:24,060 --> 01:25:21,010
very sophisticated modes of

1833
01:25:26,089 --> 01:25:24,070
communication often I would even say

1834
01:25:29,939 --> 01:25:26,099
mysterious to us modes of communication

1835
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:29,949
the telepathy seems like a completely

1836
01:25:34,379 --> 01:25:32,050
legit possibility I don't know for sure

1837
01:25:36,660 --> 01:25:34,389
but I wouldn't say no to it I think that

1838
01:25:39,689 --> 01:25:36,670
what we call telepathy and psychic

1839
01:25:41,459 --> 01:25:39,699
ability is my wife and I Tracey we talk

1840
01:25:43,979 --> 01:25:41,469
about this all the time I think it's a

1841
01:25:45,959 --> 01:25:43,989
perfectly natural capability of many

1842
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,969
life forms including ourselves certainly

1843
01:25:52,169 --> 01:25:47,920
probably dolphins it's probably a life

1844
01:25:56,009 --> 01:25:52,179
skill so yes to all of that as to

1845
01:25:58,350 --> 01:25:56,019
whether that's a bigger change to human

1846
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:58,360
society then then et disclosure I I

1847
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:00,239
would probably argue against you there

1848
01:26:07,259 --> 01:26:03,570
but here's the thing I've only recently

1849
01:26:10,410 --> 01:26:07,269
like been wondering to what extent are

1850
01:26:12,959 --> 01:26:10,420
these ocean base UFO sightings really

1851
01:26:14,970 --> 01:26:12,969
about us are they potentially no right

1852
01:26:17,069 --> 01:26:14,980
Jim's about the whales and dolphins I

1853
01:26:19,500 --> 01:26:17,079
mean they're the interesting life-forms

1854
01:26:21,870 --> 01:26:19,510
in the sea and there may be something

1855
01:26:23,729 --> 01:26:21,880
there that these other craft and these

1856
01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:23,739
other beings are connecting to for all I

1857
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:24,249
know

1858
01:26:30,689 --> 01:26:29,050
thank you thank you large brain forms

1859
01:26:33,089 --> 01:26:30,699
when we were tree shrews and I leave you

1860
01:26:35,009 --> 01:26:33,099
with that yeah absolutely Malcolm and

1861
01:26:39,629 --> 01:26:35,019
there's another part to this and thank

1862
01:26:42,330 --> 01:26:39,639
you for the phone call is the revelation

1863
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:42,340
that came out I think it was about maybe

1864
01:26:48,270 --> 01:26:44,639
about a year ago year and a half ago

1865
01:26:50,939 --> 01:26:48,280
about octopus and that they were such a

1866
01:26:53,580 --> 01:26:50,949
foreign life-form compared to everything

1867
01:26:56,669 --> 01:26:53,590
else that was on this planet that they

1868
01:26:59,299 --> 01:26:56,679
could have only been brought here by

1869
01:27:02,790 --> 01:26:59,309
aliens and that they were aliens and and

1870
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:02,800
I we've heard about the mushroom and I

1871
01:27:05,879 --> 01:27:04,210
think we heard this about what one of

1872
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:05,889
the Australian creatures the wombat

1873
01:27:11,310 --> 01:27:09,850
the Marmot Wow the kangaroo there is an

1874
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:11,320
Erin Australian animal they said the

1875
01:27:18,859 --> 01:27:14,650
same thing about absolutely and what

1876
01:27:21,359 --> 01:27:18,869
what would their platypus platypus and

1877
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:21,369
you know that's it I'm done I will never

1878
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:25,090
do calamari again I can't do it I can't

1879
01:27:28,740 --> 01:27:27,520
do it let's go back to the phones hi

1880
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:28,750
you're live on fade to black who's

1881
01:27:34,649 --> 01:27:33,250
calling Erik awakening apprentice hey

1882
01:27:48,629 --> 01:27:34,659
Eric how are you man

1883
01:27:51,959 --> 01:27:48,639
say hi to Richard ok speak up speak up

1884
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:51,969
into your walmart phone ok can you hear

1885
01:27:55,500 --> 01:27:52,449
me now

1886
01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:55,510
I sort of but go ahead all right better

1887
01:28:00,030 --> 01:27:58,090
i person my first question Richard is

1888
01:28:03,060 --> 01:28:00,040
I'm curious since you've been married

1889
01:28:04,649 --> 01:28:03,070
and I'm assuming you encourage you have

1890
01:28:08,550 --> 01:28:04,659
a lot of dialogue about all these topics

1891
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:08,560
in what ways has he possibly maybe

1892
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:11,770
restate their home or maybe altered your

1893
01:28:17,070 --> 01:28:14,080
discernment as you analyze these needs

1894
01:28:19,709 --> 01:28:17,080
that are now coming through that's a

1895
01:28:25,740 --> 01:28:19,719
great question Erik well played it's a

1896
01:28:28,379 --> 01:28:25,750
good I would say that I mean I've it's

1897
01:28:30,990 --> 01:28:28,389
not like a black and white transition

1898
01:28:33,959 --> 01:28:31,000
for me so I really need to emphasize

1899
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:33,969
that in our crazy little world of UFO

1900
01:28:39,780 --> 01:28:37,449
community I seem to be known as the like

1901
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:39,790
very straight-laced sort of person but

1902
01:28:44,939 --> 01:28:43,360
keeping in mind in the in the context of

1903
01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:44,949
the wider community I'm pretty out there

1904
01:28:49,530 --> 01:28:47,199
as well and I've certainly been very

1905
01:28:51,570 --> 01:28:49,540
open to I mean I was studying remote

1906
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:51,580
viewing almost 20 years ago myself and

1907
01:28:57,870 --> 01:28:53,440
I'm very interested in that but it's

1908
01:29:00,600 --> 01:28:57,880
definitely true that being married to a

1909
01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:00,610
woman who is not not simply a very good

1910
01:29:07,220 --> 01:29:02,800
remote viewer which she is but someone

1911
01:29:10,770 --> 01:29:07,230
who's had her own experiences that don't

1912
01:29:15,390 --> 01:29:10,780
well let's say potential et experiences

1913
01:29:19,310 --> 01:29:15,400
what it seems like to us that it's it's

1914
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:19,320
made me a bit more sensitive I will say

1915
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:23,050
to this situation of people who have had

1916
01:29:29,580 --> 01:29:27,250
psychic experiences and who've had et

1917
01:29:31,939 --> 01:29:29,590
experiences as well I don't I wouldn't

1918
01:29:35,100 --> 01:29:31,949
say that I was insensitive before

1919
01:29:37,169 --> 01:29:35,110
exactly but I think that I had a little

1920
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:37,179
work to do and I think that my wife has

1921
01:29:42,780 --> 01:29:40,210
been helping me with that so it you know

1922
01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:42,790
it underlies the complexity of this

1923
01:29:47,700 --> 01:29:44,800
subject that we're all interested in

1924
01:29:48,930 --> 01:29:47,710
that there's a nuts-and-bolts element to

1925
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:48,940
it but there's an element to this

1926
01:29:58,129 --> 01:29:53,760
subject that's not as easily amenable to

1927
01:30:01,640 --> 01:29:58,139
mechanistic explanations at least so far

1928
01:30:06,899 --> 01:30:01,650
thank you Eric

1929
01:30:09,660 --> 01:30:06,909
I'll add one thing yes my my amazing

1930
01:30:12,689 --> 01:30:09,670
wife has influenced me in a lot of ways

1931
01:30:15,419 --> 01:30:12,699
but I have to honestly say I am Who I am

1932
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:15,429
and I've been Who I am for a long long

1933
01:30:22,950 --> 01:30:20,880
time so I change I I'm I'm the one I

1934
01:30:24,839 --> 01:30:22,960
always say this to her I say this to

1935
01:30:28,260 --> 01:30:24,849
everyone I'm in charge of my ideas I

1936
01:30:30,899 --> 01:30:28,270
decide just like she decides hers and we

1937
01:30:32,790 --> 01:30:30,909
we do influence each other though but

1938
01:30:37,020 --> 01:30:32,800
ultimately I'll take responsibility for

1939
01:30:40,919 --> 01:30:37,030
my my ideas and anything that I say she

1940
01:30:43,589 --> 01:30:40,929
did make you cut your hair though yeah

1941
01:30:52,700 --> 01:30:43,599
she's actually raising her arms right in

1942
01:30:59,729 --> 01:30:52,710
victory thank you so much Eric enjoy

1943
01:31:02,790 --> 01:30:59,739
okay this is just my I'm gonna make this

1944
01:31:05,070 --> 01:31:02,800
super brief and doing my research and

1945
01:31:07,260 --> 01:31:05,080
investigation and so on and so forth at

1946
01:31:09,930 --> 01:31:07,270
times I thought that I had a beat on a

1947
01:31:13,050 --> 01:31:09,940
story or at least I believe in a certain

1948
01:31:15,780 --> 01:31:13,060
aspect of the story and then later on as

1949
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:15,790
more information came along I noticed I

1950
01:31:20,910 --> 01:31:18,010
might have changed my opinion can you

1951
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:20,920
recall a case the UFO related case in

1952
01:31:25,979 --> 01:31:23,050
your history where you initially looked

1953
01:31:26,730 --> 01:31:25,989
at it you did your thing and maybe you

1954
01:31:28,650 --> 01:31:26,740
put it on

1955
01:31:30,630 --> 01:31:28,660
and then later information came and you

1956
01:31:34,650 --> 01:31:30,640
changed your mind or opinion on can you

1957
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:34,660
recall a case but well more than one

1958
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:36,370
time probably more times and I can

1959
01:31:42,930 --> 01:31:40,690
recall that's the truth it's like both

1960
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:42,940
cases that come to me personally and

1961
01:31:47,490 --> 01:31:45,370
also public cases that I've looked into

1962
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:47,500
and and just made a different decision

1963
01:31:54,180 --> 01:31:51,450
about I mean the point is we can't get

1964
01:31:55,710 --> 01:31:54,190
emotionally attached to an outcome it's

1965
01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:55,720
probably the most important thing I can

1966
01:31:59,700 --> 01:31:57,730
say here because it's never about us

1967
01:32:04,050 --> 01:31:59,710
it's always about what is true it's

1968
01:32:07,050 --> 01:32:04,060
really so simple and once we once we

1969
01:32:09,090 --> 01:32:07,060
come to that realization that that we

1970
01:32:10,530 --> 01:32:09,100
don't have to make everything true or

1971
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:10,540
excuse me we don't have to make

1972
01:32:15,780 --> 01:32:13,090
everything a genuine UFO or we don't

1973
01:32:18,690 --> 01:32:15,790
have to debunk everything either because

1974
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:18,700
skeptics fall into the same trap then

1975
01:32:22,950 --> 01:32:20,170
that's the true moment of liberation

1976
01:32:24,990 --> 01:32:22,960
then it doesn't have to be about our ego

1977
01:32:27,390 --> 01:32:25,000
it doesn't have to be about well I

1978
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:27,400
already said this is a legit case so

1979
01:32:32,370 --> 01:32:29,050
I've got to stick with that now like no

1980
01:32:34,710 --> 01:32:32,380
never do that we'll never fall into that

1981
01:32:37,350 --> 01:32:34,720
trap we always have to be willing to

1982
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:37,360
change our mind always otherwise we were

1983
01:32:43,140 --> 01:32:41,410
prisoners of other ideologies and that's

1984
01:32:46,500 --> 01:32:43,150
the worst thing to do in a complex

1985
01:32:48,990 --> 01:32:46,510
subject like this absolutely Eric enjoy

1986
01:32:52,290 --> 01:32:49,000
enjoy your night man and your weekend oh

1987
01:33:03,360 --> 01:32:52,300
by the way you like those a new license

1988
01:33:07,530 --> 01:33:03,370
plate that's going that'll be in play

1989
01:33:09,630 --> 01:33:07,540
tomorrow have a good weekend I'll talk

1990
01:33:13,290 --> 01:33:09,640
to you is that a California thing these

1991
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:13,300
new place yeah I got Eric Eric got fade

1992
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:16,330
to black black California plates a

1993
01:33:24,420 --> 01:33:18,490
couple of years ago and gave them to me

1994
01:33:28,590 --> 01:33:24,430
and yeah and they just got slapped on a

1995
01:33:32,550 --> 01:33:28,600
vehicle of mine and it looks so good it

1996
01:33:34,770 --> 01:33:32,560
happens to be a black vehicle so that

1997
01:33:36,900 --> 01:33:34,780
combined with the fate of black plates

1998
01:33:38,490 --> 01:33:36,910
man it's a it's pretty cool I had posted

1999
01:33:41,850 --> 01:33:38,500
pictures today

2000
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:41,860
with that and it was it was Eric that

2001
01:33:48,780 --> 01:33:44,170
that procured the plate how do you get

2002
01:33:52,020 --> 01:33:48,790
fade to black custom plates how that

2003
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:52,030
wasn't already taken you know by I don't

2004
01:33:57,990 --> 01:33:53,890
know but you're just living large and

2005
01:34:01,920 --> 01:33:58,000
I'm telling you what high your life I'm

2006
01:34:05,130 --> 01:34:01,930
fade to black who's calling hello you're

2007
01:34:11,010 --> 01:34:05,140
live hey how's it going it's going good

2008
01:34:16,580 --> 01:34:11,020
who's this are doing good John say hi to

2009
01:34:21,390 --> 01:34:19,710
that's nice but you know just wanted to

2010
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:21,400
say something you both you and Jimmy are

2011
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:22,930
awesome and I really appreciate the work

2012
01:34:26,820 --> 01:34:24,970
you guys do okay I'm going to I'm going

2013
01:34:28,590 --> 01:34:26,830
to send something out on Twitter at the

2014
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:28,600
moment it just went out to both of you

2015
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:30,730
and I you know and fade to black and

2016
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:33,090
basically that comes down to his own I

2017
01:34:38,940 --> 01:34:36,010
don't know if you remember the guy you

2018
01:34:41,970 --> 01:34:38,950
interviewed in January these members

2019
01:34:44,910 --> 01:34:41,980
Chad who did that documentary that was

2020
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:44,920
first sir no face and then became to

2021
01:34:49,770 --> 01:34:47,050
face the gray Chad yeah you talking

2022
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:49,780
about Chad Cale ik yeah yeah that's the

2023
01:34:56,190 --> 01:34:52,570
guy right well what I found was if you

2024
01:34:58,890 --> 01:34:56,200
take the image of sir--no face and you

2025
01:35:01,920 --> 01:34:58,900
superimpose it over one of the pilots

2026
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:01,930
from the Turkish video that Richard you

2027
01:35:06,270 --> 01:35:02,770
talked about the other day

2028
01:35:11,070 --> 01:35:06,280
mm-hmm that face geometry where the eyes

2029
01:35:13,950 --> 01:35:11,080
nose and sockets actually match up is so

2030
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:13,960
close to identical that I think it

2031
01:35:19,050 --> 01:35:17,530
almost implies that maybe that if

2032
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:19,060
they're both real there's a cloning

2033
01:35:25,050 --> 01:35:21,250
mechanism going on or it could imply

2034
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:25,060
that one of them actually is is you know

2035
01:35:28,230 --> 01:35:26,890
copied off the other in some more in the

2036
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:28,240
various way so I don't really know

2037
01:35:31,410 --> 01:35:29,920
what's going on but I was just curious

2038
01:35:33,090 --> 01:35:31,420
as to what you guys opinion it might be

2039
01:35:35,460 --> 01:35:33,100
yeah that's a you know what that's a

2040
01:35:38,130 --> 01:35:35,470
really really really great point John

2041
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:38,140
and I just see that you've posted a

2042
01:35:43,650 --> 01:35:39,970
video I'm gonna watch this after the

2043
01:35:45,660 --> 01:35:43,660
show tonight and yeah and and thank you

2044
01:35:47,340 --> 01:35:45,670
for that let me throw this over to

2045
01:35:50,700 --> 01:35:47,350
Richard Richard we were just talking

2046
01:35:53,100 --> 01:35:50,710
about you know compelling cases

2047
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:53,110
for me there's always there's so many

2048
01:35:58,890 --> 01:35:56,170
great cases but Rendlesham for me and

2049
01:36:03,030 --> 01:35:58,900
Travis Walton are two of the cases that

2050
01:36:05,220 --> 01:36:03,040
that are right there for me but I would

2051
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:05,230
agree with those yes yeah that but that

2052
01:36:09,330 --> 01:36:07,570
Turkish UFO video and I didn't get a

2053
01:36:11,610 --> 01:36:09,340
chance to see your presentation on this

2054
01:36:13,620 --> 01:36:11,620
I know that you just did a show in the

2055
01:36:17,490 --> 01:36:13,630
past week on this

2056
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:17,500
that's some crazy footage and I've spent

2057
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:20,770
exhaustive amount of hours looking that

2058
01:36:26,820 --> 01:36:22,090
over the years and now this new

2059
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:26,830
stabilized video has popped up so what's

2060
01:36:32,490 --> 01:36:29,290
your opinion I didn't watch so hit me

2061
01:36:34,140 --> 01:36:32,500
with the first first hand here what do

2062
01:36:36,180 --> 01:36:34,150
you think about the Turkish or well

2063
01:36:40,110 --> 01:36:36,190
actually Tracy and I both did a pretty

2064
01:36:41,790 --> 01:36:40,120
fairly deep dive into that case at least

2065
01:36:43,770 --> 01:36:41,800
in a few days leading up to it we really

2066
01:36:46,410 --> 01:36:43,780
threw ourselves back into it I I knew

2067
01:36:48,390 --> 01:36:46,420
about this case for a while but I hadn't

2068
01:36:50,900 --> 01:36:48,400
really looked at it carefully in a few

2069
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:50,910
years that's the truth so it was it was

2070
01:36:56,130 --> 01:36:54,250
really enlightening for me and I I went

2071
01:36:59,040 --> 01:36:56,140
in with a very open mind in the sense

2072
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:59,050
really wanting to look carefully at the

2073
01:37:05,180 --> 01:37:00,960
skeptical arguments and there's several

2074
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:05,190
against the the fact that this is a UFO

2075
01:37:10,830 --> 01:37:08,080
one being of course famously it's like

2076
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:10,840
reflections of the cruise ship off in

2077
01:37:14,610 --> 01:37:13,210
the distance I think that absolutely has

2078
01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:14,620
to be discounted I don't think that's a

2079
01:37:18,990 --> 01:37:16,000
legitimate objection

2080
01:37:22,110 --> 01:37:19,000
and then another objection is that it's

2081
01:37:23,900 --> 01:37:22,120
a kind of anomaly artifact of the lens

2082
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:23,910
that was being used by the photographer

2083
01:37:32,610 --> 01:37:29,530
Yeltsin yeomen I know I mean I would say

2084
01:37:34,050 --> 01:37:32,620
that's a dim possibility in some cases

2085
01:37:35,729 --> 01:37:34,060
but I actually don't I don't think I

2086
01:37:37,770 --> 01:37:35,739
find that credible either so I think

2087
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:37,780
that we're dealing with a legitimate

2088
01:37:41,550 --> 01:37:39,610
object that was in the sky so those

2089
01:37:43,229 --> 01:37:41,560
three years oh seven oh eight oh nine

2090
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:43,239
that's it that I don't think people have

2091
01:37:47,970 --> 01:37:45,520
seen it since then there are oddities

2092
01:37:51,420 --> 01:37:47,980
about the case the fact that it so

2093
01:37:54,570 --> 01:37:51,430
frequently was was recorded at the exact

2094
01:37:56,970 --> 01:37:54,580
same perspective on a number of

2095
01:37:59,790 --> 01:37:56,980
occasions I mean there are variations

2096
01:38:02,640 --> 01:37:59,800
there's dusk and daylight sightings

2097
01:38:04,260 --> 01:38:02,650
where it's a string of lights right if

2098
01:38:06,780 --> 01:38:04,270
it's the same object I think

2099
01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:06,790
it is and then there's a times where

2100
01:38:12,150 --> 01:38:09,040
like it zooms you zoom in and you see

2101
01:38:14,100 --> 01:38:12,160
this crystal-clear object I think it's a

2102
01:38:17,490 --> 01:38:14,110
real thing and the question is who does

2103
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:17,500
it belong to and there's also of course

2104
01:38:25,470 --> 01:38:19,210
there's this analysis that's been done

2105
01:38:27,810 --> 01:38:25,480
of the center of the craft which it

2106
01:38:30,900 --> 01:38:27,820
almost seems it's insane to say this but

2107
01:38:33,690 --> 01:38:30,910
when you run filters over the image and

2108
01:38:36,540 --> 01:38:33,700
this is not changing them it's just it's

2109
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:36,550
just filtering it in various ways you do

2110
01:38:41,850 --> 01:38:39,610
get what looks like silhouettes of a

2111
01:38:43,890 --> 01:38:41,860
couple of different of a couple of alien

2112
01:38:45,570 --> 01:38:43,900
beings they don't look human I mean I

2113
01:38:48,630 --> 01:38:45,580
don't I don't know what to make of that

2114
01:38:52,020 --> 01:38:48,640
but the fact is that's what it looks

2115
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:52,030
like so and then there is you know Roger

2116
01:38:57,120 --> 01:38:55,090
Leir I mean sometimes you can make a

2117
01:38:58,740 --> 01:38:57,130
little more out of this than then is

2118
01:39:00,240 --> 01:38:58,750
warranted I mean Roger Leir was a very

2119
01:39:03,420 --> 01:39:00,250
intelligent man he's no longer with us

2120
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:03,430
unfortunately he was a good researcher

2121
01:39:08,670 --> 01:39:05,970
did a lot with alien implants and more

2122
01:39:11,190 --> 01:39:08,680
you know you did the Virginia case a bit

2123
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:11,200
and he's travelled so he went to Turkey

2124
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:13,690
and oh wait and looked through the

2125
01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:16,210
telescope and I remember talking

2126
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:17,920
personally with Roger about it he was

2127
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:23,050
deeply impressed by what he saw and you

2128
01:39:28,140 --> 01:39:24,930
know he's quite adamant this was a

2129
01:39:30,450 --> 01:39:28,150
genuine craft that he and other people

2130
01:39:36,090 --> 01:39:30,460
were seeing so I accept it I think it's

2131
01:39:38,910 --> 01:39:36,100
a strong case you know 10 years ago when

2132
01:39:42,030 --> 01:39:38,920
the first set of videos had surfaced and

2133
01:39:45,900 --> 01:39:42,040
an hours-long right and I'm watching in

2134
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:45,910
Amman and I freeze framed and and blew

2135
01:39:53,370 --> 01:39:49,210
up when I went when it was pretty stable

2136
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:53,380
for a second and and and I see what I

2137
01:39:58,610 --> 01:39:56,170
think is an alien gray in that window

2138
01:40:04,800 --> 01:39:58,620
ice ice what Richard I'm not kidding I

2139
01:40:09,750 --> 01:40:04,810
almost had a heart attack what is that

2140
01:40:12,750 --> 01:40:09,760
and I don't know what you like doesn't

2141
01:40:14,430 --> 01:40:12,760
it doesn't take a leap of imagination to

2142
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:14,440
see that's actually the case like if you

2143
01:40:20,300 --> 01:40:17,610
look carefully as you did it's not a

2144
01:40:23,740 --> 01:40:20,310
possible to see why people conclude that

2145
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:23,750
it was like don't don't don't

2146
01:40:31,130 --> 01:40:29,250
is it's amazing absolutely and John

2147
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:31,140
thank you for the phone call man and oh

2148
01:40:37,490 --> 01:40:34,530
I did not I'm not sure if Richard is

2149
01:40:42,830 --> 01:40:37,500
familiar with a Chad K like check hey

2150
01:40:44,740 --> 01:40:42,840
like knots he was he had a show for I

2151
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:44,750
don't know seven eight nine years

2152
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:48,210
paranormal what was the name of Chad

2153
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:51,600
show John honest I don't remember I not

2154
01:40:58,340 --> 01:40:53,760
documentaries were to face to gray and

2155
01:41:00,590 --> 01:40:58,350
and sterno face yeah hold on for a

2156
01:41:06,050 --> 01:41:00,600
second and Chad's probably listening

2157
01:41:10,330 --> 01:41:06,060
right now and I am going to American

2158
01:41:13,130 --> 01:41:10,340
ghost hunter American ghost hunter then

2159
01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:13,140
great you know great paranormal

2160
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:16,050
researcher but anyway he was not a UFO

2161
01:41:26,270 --> 01:41:22,530
guide and he caught an anomaly doing

2162
01:41:31,970 --> 01:41:26,280
some research over in Australia on this

2163
01:41:34,670 --> 01:41:31,980
island and and caught something looking

2164
01:41:36,260 --> 01:41:34,680
around the corner with his researchers

2165
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:36,270
they went back and they looked at and

2166
01:41:41,090 --> 01:41:40,320
they always thought it was the an

2167
01:41:47,330 --> 01:41:41,100
apparition

2168
01:41:49,820 --> 01:41:47,340
looking at it and filtering it like you

2169
01:41:53,660 --> 01:41:49,830
were just saying it's a bleep in grey

2170
01:41:55,370 --> 01:41:53,670
and so so he released a second

2171
01:41:56,810 --> 01:41:55,380
documentary I had them on coast to coast

2172
01:42:01,010 --> 01:41:56,820
and and here on fade to black

2173
01:42:06,020 --> 01:42:01,020
a couple of times about this and it's a

2174
01:42:10,010 --> 01:42:06,030
very very it's a very disturbing moment

2175
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:10,020
that's all I can say so I'll send this

2176
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:11,760
over I'm gonna look at what you've got

2177
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:16,290
here Richard if you go to Twitter John

2178
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:18,090
has got this posted up in Twitter on the

2179
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:19,890
Twitter feed and you're copying on it

2180
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:28,330
in an alley thank you so much John and

2181
01:42:37,690 --> 01:42:31,760
enjoy the rest of your weekend Gobekli

2182
01:42:39,580 --> 01:42:37,700
Tepe right on and so great tea I've I

2183
01:42:43,510 --> 01:42:39,590
don't know if John's ever called into

2184
01:42:45,940 --> 01:42:43,520
the show before he's a big fader nut and

2185
01:42:47,380 --> 01:42:45,950
as always in the sandbox and hanging out

2186
01:42:48,730 --> 01:42:47,390
but that I think that's the first time

2187
01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:48,740
I've ever heard his voice thank you for

2188
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:51,440
that John it's an interesting thing that

2189
01:42:56,860 --> 01:42:54,050
he brings up and it doesn't it make you

2190
01:42:59,010 --> 01:42:56,870
think like not that the greys are ghosts

2191
01:43:02,170 --> 01:42:59,020
or spiritual beings necessarily but that

2192
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:02,180
once again maybe it's an effect of being

2193
01:43:08,670 --> 01:43:04,130
able to manipulate space and time in

2194
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:08,680
some way that we're we haven't mastered

2195
01:43:16,150 --> 01:43:13,360
but they have and you get this kind of

2196
01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:16,160
in and out of our reality as a result of

2197
01:43:20,980 --> 01:43:18,080
that I know what do we you know see what

2198
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:20,990
do we do with that I know what do we do

2199
01:43:27,850 --> 01:43:25,610
I try to listen to everybody because

2200
01:43:31,210 --> 01:43:27,860
I've got too many strange stories and

2201
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:31,220
and I hope that people listen to me and

2202
01:43:35,770 --> 01:43:33,410
take me serious when I talk about some

2203
01:43:38,050 --> 01:43:35,780
of the stuff that that I have witnessed

2204
01:43:42,300 --> 01:43:38,060
and and it's really tough and when

2205
01:43:44,740 --> 01:43:42,310
somebody else comes to me with something

2206
01:43:47,290 --> 01:43:44,750
fantastical where it's interdimensional

2207
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:47,300
or it's possibly this but this is what

2208
01:43:53,980 --> 01:43:50,330
happened I can't sit there and dismiss

2209
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:53,990
it Richard III can't no matter what I

2210
01:44:00,250 --> 01:43:56,810
have to listen because I'm asking for

2211
01:44:01,540 --> 01:44:00,260
the same thing from everybody else right

2212
01:44:04,330 --> 01:44:01,550
absolutely

2213
01:44:06,460 --> 01:44:04,340
it's tough it's tough something and the

2214
01:44:10,090 --> 01:44:06,470
one thing about this community that is

2215
01:44:12,970 --> 01:44:10,100
beautiful about this community is that

2216
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:12,980
you can go to a conference or you can

2217
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:16,130
call into a show like this and share

2218
01:44:20,860 --> 01:44:18,890
your experience without the ridicule and

2219
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:20,870
that's the most important part about

2220
01:44:26,980 --> 01:44:23,210
this community that we hold true and

2221
01:44:28,810 --> 01:44:26,990
dear now how much is one of the things

2222
01:44:30,910 --> 01:44:28,820
that you are helping to do is to change

2223
01:44:33,610 --> 01:44:30,920
that that culture and to make it an

2224
01:44:34,860 --> 01:44:33,620
accepting place so you're doing you're

2225
01:44:37,780 --> 01:44:34,870
doing really good work in that regard

2226
01:44:39,250 --> 01:44:37,790
Richard you know I'm up against a break

2227
01:44:41,650 --> 01:44:39,260
here and you know what I'm going to ask

2228
01:44:43,930 --> 01:44:41,660
next and I know that Tracy is looking at

2229
01:44:45,390 --> 01:44:43,940
you Tracy can I have Richard for another

2230
01:44:47,950 --> 01:44:45,400
20 minutes

2231
01:44:49,930 --> 01:44:47,960
well I'm gonna tell you the truth I I

2232
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:49,940
think I'm running a fever that's that's

2233
01:44:55,060 --> 01:44:51,530
the God's honest truth I think that I've

2234
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:55,070
in the last hour my head I don't know

2235
01:45:01,420 --> 01:44:56,960
what happened here I think it's just

2236
01:45:07,150 --> 01:45:01,430
talking to you three hours ahead of you

2237
01:45:09,790 --> 01:45:07,160
okay well what do you want to do I want

2238
01:45:11,710 --> 01:45:09,800
to wish you a very good night and tell

2239
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:11,720
you that you're my favorite radio host

2240
01:45:22,500 --> 01:45:17,210
of all time Richard myself here's to

2241
01:45:25,110 --> 01:45:22,510
many here's to many more years of

2242
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:25,120
conversation between the two of us and

2243
01:45:31,240 --> 01:45:28,730
really quick I can't let you go without

2244
01:45:35,610 --> 01:45:31,250
you having to answer this question

2245
01:45:40,300 --> 01:45:35,620
though what's the deal with the new book

2246
01:45:44,010 --> 01:45:40,310
well I'm working on it the new book the

2247
01:45:48,670 --> 01:45:44,020
new book is I'm working I am dedicated

2248
01:45:50,290 --> 01:45:48,680
to doing UFO writing UFO research new

2249
01:45:54,130 --> 01:45:50,300
books will come out when they come out

2250
01:45:56,440 --> 01:45:54,140
and they will and when they come out I'm

2251
01:45:58,510 --> 01:45:56,450
gonna make sure that you are among the

2252
01:46:00,580 --> 01:45:58,520
first to know thank you so much Richard

2253
01:46:02,620 --> 01:46:00,590
give my best to Tracy I know she's right

2254
01:46:05,140 --> 01:46:02,630
there enjoy the rest of your night and

2255
01:46:08,500 --> 01:46:05,150
your weekend what a great conversation

2256
01:46:12,100 --> 01:46:08,510
tonight I had a lot of fun same here

2257
01:46:12,580 --> 01:46:12,110
Richard bleepin Dolan thank you so much

2258
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:12,590
Richard

2259
01:46:19,150 --> 01:46:15,920
this is fade to black that was down it

2260
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:19,160
was we're not over yet night number four

2261
01:46:22,330 --> 01:46:21,770
of open lines now everybody that is on

2262
01:46:24,370 --> 01:46:22,340
hold

2263
01:46:27,730 --> 01:46:24,380
I'll keep you right there and we'll keep

2264
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:27,740
open lines running right after this

2265
01:46:30,490 --> 01:46:29,210
short break stay right there our meals

2266
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:30,500
to be Church thank you Richard

2267
01:46:35,410 --> 01:46:33,050
Richards website is right there at Jimmy

2268
01:46:37,870 --> 01:46:35,420
Church radio comm click on it you can

2269
01:46:39,430 --> 01:46:37,880
follow richard on twitter at rich dole

2270
01:46:40,729 --> 01:46:39,440
and this is fade to black I'm nervous

2271
01:46:52,150 --> 01:46:40,739
Jimmy Church I'll be

2272
01:46:56,930 --> 01:46:54,770
all right welcome back fade to black I'm

2273
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:56,940
your host Julie church so now we're

2274
01:47:00,410 --> 01:46:58,560
gonna switch it to fate or night now

2275
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:00,420
we're just gonna go open line seven and

2276
01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:03,210
four seven two two eight two zero five

2277
01:47:09,440 --> 01:47:06,960
one so funny there was like eight people

2278
01:47:13,580 --> 01:47:09,450
on hold waiting to speak to Richard

2279
01:47:16,190 --> 01:47:13,590
they're all gone except for one and it's

2280
01:47:19,220 --> 01:47:16,200
you hi you're live who's calling

2281
01:47:21,170 --> 01:47:19,230
hey brother James super Cass how are you

2282
01:47:23,540 --> 01:47:21,180
hey libertas what are you doing brother

2283
01:47:26,270 --> 01:47:23,550
it's been a while he's yeah it's been a

2284
01:47:26,510 --> 01:47:26,280
little while how you been I'm doing good

2285
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:26,520
man

2286
01:47:32,630 --> 01:47:29,250
sorry you missed Richard oh that's okay

2287
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:32,640
listen you can choose to share this with

2288
01:47:36,440 --> 01:47:34,290
him enough but I wanted to clear

2289
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:36,450
something up and you've actually in the

2290
01:47:40,820 --> 01:47:38,490
players have been on this path with me

2291
01:47:42,590 --> 01:47:40,830
remember in a number of years ago we

2292
01:47:46,220 --> 01:47:42,600
talked about the invention of secrecy

2293
01:47:48,140 --> 01:47:46,230
Act of 1951 right and then and then

2294
01:47:50,300 --> 01:47:48,150
probably about a year ago you said you

2295
01:47:52,670 --> 01:47:50,310
got a lot of calls on it I shared the

2296
01:47:54,170 --> 01:47:52,680
patent security category review list

2297
01:47:56,540 --> 01:47:54,180
with you I still have it

2298
01:47:59,930 --> 01:47:56,550
yep well there you go the reason I

2299
01:48:02,000 --> 01:47:59,940
called in and it's unfortunate riches

2300
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:02,010
gone but it's no big deal as when you

2301
01:48:09,020 --> 01:48:05,090
talk to the student from Canada about

2302
01:48:12,230 --> 01:48:09,030
patent laws probably similar between the

2303
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:12,240
United States and Canada well my new my

2304
01:48:18,980 --> 01:48:17,010
new discovery is is that it's NATO that

2305
01:48:23,270 --> 01:48:18,990
does this throughout the world

2306
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:23,280
so Jimmy I sent you an email and it says

2307
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:26,850
patent I have it here right yep so let

2308
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:29,610
me just let me tell you what that is and

2309
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:32,730
what I refer the discovery all the time

2310
01:48:36,980 --> 01:48:34,770
I've spent researching all this stuff

2311
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:36,990
over the years and then all of a sudden

2312
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:39,810
I hit on this one website with the whole

2313
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:43,410
enchilada is there yeah and I'm not even

2314
01:48:49,130 --> 01:48:46,050
sure who manages this website but as far

2315
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:49,140
as the data goes it's really trivial to

2316
01:48:54,350 --> 01:48:52,320
two people one is Michael Law Britain

2317
01:48:56,930 --> 01:48:54,360
its key and he's an attorney a writer

2318
01:48:58,880 --> 01:48:56,940
and a researcher and the other gentleman

2319
01:49:01,310 --> 01:48:58,890
and they do some good work over the

2320
01:49:04,910 --> 01:49:01,320
Federation of American scientists is

2321
01:49:06,860 --> 01:49:04,920
Steven after good okay and after

2322
01:49:09,050 --> 01:49:06,870
good should be ringing a bell with you

2323
01:49:12,590 --> 01:49:09,060
because he is the one that originally

2324
01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:12,600
got the letter from the DIA which

2325
01:49:20,209 --> 01:49:16,800
contained a letter written to a Senator

2326
01:49:22,970 --> 01:49:20,219
John McCain with the reason of the

2327
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:22,980
purpose of a tip and along with it were

2328
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:27,570
the 38 documents that the stud the 22

2329
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:30,000
million dollars was attributed to part

2330
01:49:35,150 --> 01:49:32,130
of the 38 documents

2331
01:49:36,979 --> 01:49:35,160
well the DIA screwed up and I can send

2332
01:49:40,820 --> 01:49:36,989
you this if you want I don't know I

2333
01:49:43,340 --> 01:49:40,830
assumed you saw it but the DIA screwed

2334
01:49:46,250 --> 01:49:43,350
up when they responded to the FOIA

2335
01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:46,260
request because they attached the entire

2336
01:49:52,340 --> 01:49:49,410
list of 38 studies when I believe two of

2337
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:52,350
them is still classified but anyway sir

2338
01:50:00,740 --> 01:49:55,250
Jimmy on to the back to the patent thing

2339
01:50:05,060 --> 01:50:00,750
in 1953 the United States started doing

2340
01:50:07,970 --> 01:50:05,070
individual patent agreements with

2341
01:50:12,290 --> 01:50:07,980
individual countries starting in 53 with

2342
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:12,300
the UK and and Turkey and and Japan and

2343
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:15,090
Norway and then they got smart they said

2344
01:50:22,340 --> 01:50:17,040
this is a lot of work doing these with

2345
01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:22,350
individual countries and so in 1960 they

2346
01:50:27,290 --> 01:50:24,449
did one with all the other NATO

2347
01:50:31,130 --> 01:50:27,300
countries now they do it under the

2348
01:50:34,010 --> 01:50:31,140
category defense related patents but if

2349
01:50:37,790 --> 01:50:34,020
you go back to that category review list

2350
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:37,800
that that you have 50% of the stuff on

2351
01:50:42,890 --> 01:50:40,050
the list could be Houston in the

2352
01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:42,900
civilian yeah its commercial yeah yeah

2353
01:50:49,490 --> 01:50:46,560
its commercial yeah absolutely so what's

2354
01:50:52,820 --> 01:50:49,500
really cool on that website I just gave

2355
01:50:55,669 --> 01:50:52,830
you two is that Steven Aftergood

2356
01:50:57,950 --> 01:50:55,679
maintains the data of how many a

2357
01:51:00,830 --> 01:50:57,960
National Security Letters have been

2358
01:51:05,500 --> 01:51:00,840
issued and in over the last five years

2359
01:51:08,510 --> 01:51:05,510
it averages about 5,700 a year but

2360
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:08,520
another cool document you'll see Jimmy

2361
01:51:15,110 --> 01:51:10,890
is you'll see the template for the

2362
01:51:17,810 --> 01:51:15,120
National Security Letter so that that

2363
01:51:18,650 --> 01:51:17,820
doctor excuse me the website I just sent

2364
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:18,660
you

2365
01:51:23,950 --> 01:51:21,570
contains the whole ancho at all these

2366
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:23,960
years I've been digging and researching

2367
01:51:27,260 --> 01:51:25,170
whoo

2368
01:51:31,070 --> 01:51:27,270
somebody had a very similar interest

2369
01:51:32,630 --> 01:51:31,080
because it is all in one spot so I would

2370
01:51:36,110 --> 01:51:32,640
take a look at you might want to share

2371
01:51:38,300 --> 01:51:36,120
which I don't like sending rich emails

2372
01:51:40,190 --> 01:51:38,310
anymore because he uses Google and I

2373
01:51:42,830 --> 01:51:40,200
avoid them like the plague but take a

2374
01:51:45,770 --> 01:51:42,840
look at Jimmy some interesting stuff and

2375
01:51:49,010 --> 01:51:45,780
I think this is a model that would be

2376
01:51:51,620 --> 01:51:49,020
similar to suppressing you apology data

2377
01:51:55,180 --> 01:51:51,630
just use the NATO countries and write a

2378
01:51:57,620 --> 01:51:55,190
document get them to agree with it so

2379
01:51:59,600 --> 01:51:57,630
take a look at that what I sent you

2380
01:52:01,910 --> 01:51:59,610
called the website is fine and you'll

2381
01:52:03,710 --> 01:52:01,920
find some very very interesting stuff on

2382
01:52:05,690 --> 01:52:03,720
there man yeah thank you so much I'm

2383
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:05,700
looking through it now and I'll spend

2384
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:07,410
some time on it over the weekend

2385
01:52:12,170 --> 01:52:10,170
libertas thank you so much if you're on

2386
01:52:13,970 --> 01:52:12,180
the main page Jimmy just scroll down

2387
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:13,980
really quick while you're on the phone

2388
01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:16,650
with me and look at the years see where

2389
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:19,170
it says four countries and yeah and yeah

2390
01:52:23,210 --> 01:52:21,330
I'm looking at it right here yeah that

2391
01:52:26,030 --> 01:52:23,220
that'll walk you right through and like

2392
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:26,040
like I said you will find a template for

2393
01:52:30,590 --> 01:52:28,410
a national security letter there that

2394
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:30,600
they issue to read a patent applicants

2395
01:52:35,210 --> 01:52:32,850
and just go if you can keep me for

2396
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:35,220
another second I hear some very

2397
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:37,530
intelligent people are on various shows

2398
01:52:43,610 --> 01:52:41,040
yours and other ones talking about how

2399
01:52:46,220 --> 01:52:43,620
they're working on zero-point on they're

2400
01:52:48,260 --> 01:52:46,230
working on anti-gravity and they have

2401
01:52:49,430 --> 01:52:48,270
investors Jimmy they don't know about

2402
01:52:51,950 --> 01:52:49,440
this stuff man

2403
01:52:54,980 --> 01:52:51,960
they gotta be smart people if they work

2404
01:52:56,990 --> 01:52:54,990
on the anti-gravity and they're never

2405
01:52:58,400 --> 01:52:57,000
gonna get a patent for it so I don't

2406
01:53:02,050 --> 01:52:58,410
understand they don't do their homework

2407
01:53:04,550 --> 01:53:02,060
or something man well that's always

2408
01:53:08,750 --> 01:53:04,560
expending my opinion I mean we have

2409
01:53:11,420 --> 01:53:08,760
Billy Carson on on Monday about and we

2410
01:53:14,030 --> 01:53:11,430
talked about this very subject and the

2411
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:14,040
way around it it's don't apply for a

2412
01:53:18,670 --> 01:53:16,770
patent bingo but then you know who's

2413
01:53:22,460 --> 01:53:18,680
gonna find you Jimmy

2414
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:22,470
trust me hey that that part but anyway

2415
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:25,050
don't don't apply for a patent it's

2416
01:53:30,380 --> 01:53:27,410
throw that stuff out there in public and

2417
01:53:31,890 --> 01:53:30,390
that's that's that's the best that's

2418
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:31,900
better than a patent

2419
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:36,730
here in these fringe areas so there you

2420
01:53:40,860 --> 01:53:38,770
go enjoy your weekend

2421
01:53:43,440 --> 01:53:40,870
Libertas and and thank you for the phone

2422
01:53:44,700 --> 01:53:43,450
call and thank you for the tip yeah have

2423
01:53:47,310 --> 01:53:44,710
some could read and share that with

2424
01:53:50,700 --> 01:53:47,320
Dolan man like Google has a copy ha ha

2425
01:53:53,580 --> 01:53:50,710
see it but I'll talk to you right now

2426
01:53:55,350 --> 01:53:53,590
have a good night and Libertas man I

2427
01:53:57,870 --> 01:53:55,360
haven't talked to him in a while I've

2428
01:54:01,800 --> 01:53:57,880
got the website open here before I go

2429
01:54:04,350 --> 01:54:01,810
and and and share this with everybody I

2430
01:54:07,020 --> 01:54:04,360
am gonna take a look at it first but

2431
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:07,030
it's uh looks pretty interesting it's

2432
01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:09,610
exactly what he says it is though it is

2433
01:54:17,250 --> 01:54:14,530
a patent secrecy and an invention

2434
01:54:21,930 --> 01:54:17,260
secrecy covering the invention secrecy

2435
01:54:25,580 --> 01:54:21,940
act of 1951 and with that let's go back

2436
01:54:27,990 --> 01:54:25,590
to the phones and I'm gonna go here next

2437
01:54:33,650 --> 01:54:28,000
hi you're live on fade to black who's

2438
01:54:38,370 --> 01:54:33,660
calling hi Steve how are you man and

2439
01:54:41,130 --> 01:54:38,380
good good I just got in but I don't look

2440
01:54:43,980 --> 01:54:41,140
good questions about me I'm not sure you

2441
01:54:46,350 --> 01:54:43,990
covered it but uh Sunday night show of

2442
01:54:48,900 --> 01:54:46,360
coast to coast with George Knapp with

2443
01:54:52,770 --> 01:54:48,910
Jacobs and hating stating that the

2444
01:54:55,950 --> 01:54:52,780
possible experiencers now did you hear

2445
01:54:59,970 --> 01:54:55,960
that show Sunday night no I didn't I

2446
01:55:06,960 --> 01:54:59,980
didn't who was and who was experiencers

2447
01:55:09,630 --> 01:55:06,970
now Hastings and the one who wrote the

2448
01:55:12,810 --> 01:55:09,640
book Bob Hastings doing the book about

2449
01:55:14,700 --> 01:55:12,820
the nukes yeah Jacob right yeah they

2450
01:55:17,420 --> 01:55:14,710
were expressing that they will put these

2451
01:55:20,460 --> 01:55:17,430
possible experiences that they've had

2452
01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:20,470
contact interesting

2453
01:55:25,470 --> 01:55:22,960
Robert Hastings is an experienced or now

2454
01:55:27,660 --> 01:55:25,480
yes don't close the coast with George

2455
01:55:30,740 --> 01:55:27,670
Knapp Sunday night so I just wondering

2456
01:55:33,270 --> 01:55:30,750
if you heard about that no I haven't

2457
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:33,280
needing it Robert back on the show it's

2458
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:35,530
been many years mhm

2459
01:55:41,630 --> 01:55:40,090
yeah yeah ok the second question um I've

2460
01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:41,640
been following

2461
01:55:48,540 --> 01:55:45,730
blackbolt a lot and I know

2462
01:55:54,030 --> 01:55:48,550
why what I'm seeing here some of the

2463
01:55:57,500 --> 01:55:54,040
articles I read that PTSA is ignoring

2464
01:56:00,930 --> 01:55:57,510
John Greenwald without any communication

2465
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:00,940
they don't want to talk to him is it you

2466
01:56:05,540 --> 01:56:02,890
know I'm trying to think what's the

2467
01:56:07,890 --> 01:56:05,550
reason you know they wrote an article

2468
01:56:10,110 --> 01:56:07,900
unidentified on the website regarding

2469
01:56:13,979 --> 01:56:10,120
the last time you had John Green were on

2470
01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:13,989
the show and how you expecting was

2471
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:16,210
asking questions about some of the

2472
01:56:20,490 --> 01:56:18,730
documents are about T ksi well they

2473
01:56:23,970 --> 01:56:20,500
wrote an article stating that you know

2474
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:23,980
that in your show and jungling world

2475
01:56:31,290 --> 01:56:28,290
were criticizing not knowing stocks yet

2476
01:56:34,260 --> 01:56:31,300
but why are they ignoring John Green

2477
01:56:37,020 --> 01:56:34,270
we're not letting him you know them get

2478
01:56:39,990 --> 01:56:37,030
together and speak I I don't know I

2479
01:56:43,770 --> 01:56:40,000
didn't know T TSA wrote an article and

2480
01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:43,780
posted it on their website yeah I have

2481
01:56:51,210 --> 01:56:49,050
it it was they voted at current unified

2482
01:56:54,240 --> 01:56:51,220
yeah and the author wrote an article

2483
01:56:56,820 --> 01:56:54,250
regarding John Green always on his show

2484
01:56:59,360 --> 01:56:56,830
but I wasn't going to post any of that

2485
01:57:02,430 --> 01:56:59,370
because I keep up with the news oh

2486
01:57:05,640 --> 01:57:02,440
you're saying oh it's some other website

2487
01:57:08,580 --> 01:57:05,650
called unidentified it's not ttsi no I

2488
01:57:13,460 --> 01:57:08,590
think the associated with yeah yeah yeah

2489
01:57:15,720 --> 01:57:13,470
so but regardless they have some kind of

2490
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:15,730
thing with John Green work that they do

2491
01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:18,130
not want him around

2492
01:57:23,460 --> 01:57:21,090
oh asking questions or ignoring his

2493
01:57:25,890 --> 01:57:23,470
communication I can't understand that I

2494
01:57:28,530 --> 01:57:25,900
mean he had threat because he gets two

2495
01:57:30,360 --> 01:57:28,540
backs that he gets documents I mean that

2496
01:57:32,910 --> 01:57:30,370
he could get the truth and they can't

2497
01:57:36,690 --> 01:57:32,920
lie I mean I really like to know what

2498
01:57:39,060 --> 01:57:36,700
yeah I think that that may be a piece of

2499
01:57:42,479 --> 01:57:39,070
it and I think that there's something to

2500
01:57:49,050 --> 01:57:42,489
that Stephen but there's a there's

2501
01:57:51,300 --> 01:57:49,060
another part about I I believe and this

2502
01:57:53,400 --> 01:57:51,310
is this is how I feel

2503
01:57:56,970 --> 01:57:53,410
and through my own experience too as

2504
01:57:57,760 --> 01:57:56,980
well in interfacing with Tom and T TSA

2505
01:58:01,370 --> 01:57:57,770
in and

2506
01:58:05,990 --> 01:58:01,380
everybody at the company is that there

2507
01:58:09,950 --> 01:58:06,000
are some very very difficult questions

2508
01:58:15,320 --> 01:58:09,960
that are out there that it is better for

2509
01:58:20,209 --> 01:58:15,330
them they feel to not answer them and to

2510
01:58:26,959 --> 01:58:20,219
run from it and and that there isn't

2511
01:58:31,220 --> 01:58:26,969
another answer you know and so by by

2512
01:58:34,130 --> 01:58:31,230
dealing with other people out there to

2513
01:58:37,670 --> 01:58:34,140
get their message out to you know do

2514
01:58:40,090 --> 01:58:37,680
interviews or or question and answers or

2515
01:58:43,729 --> 01:58:40,100
articles or things is they are

2516
01:58:49,850 --> 01:58:43,739
controlling that they're they're in

2517
01:58:51,860 --> 01:58:49,860
control so but going out there and

2518
01:58:53,630 --> 01:58:51,870
dealing with these questions directly

2519
01:58:57,410 --> 01:58:53,640
and having to answer some very difficult

2520
01:58:59,990 --> 01:58:57,420
things is something that they feel that

2521
01:59:02,090 --> 01:59:00,000
they don't they don't feel that they

2522
01:59:05,240 --> 01:59:02,100
have to do it and by not doing it

2523
01:59:07,910 --> 01:59:05,250
they're not put in an uncomfortable

2524
01:59:10,310 --> 01:59:07,920
position you know and and look when

2525
01:59:11,810 --> 01:59:10,320
you're dealing with when you're dealing

2526
01:59:14,990 --> 01:59:11,820
with investors you're dealing with

2527
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:15,000
selling stock and all of that which I

2528
01:59:20,750 --> 01:59:17,610
understand you want to present yourself

2529
01:59:23,450 --> 01:59:20,760
in the best light possible and and

2530
01:59:24,979 --> 01:59:23,460
that's that's that's their choice and if

2531
01:59:30,650 --> 01:59:24,989
that's how they want to deal with it

2532
01:59:33,189 --> 01:59:30,660
that's it I know that there has there's

2533
01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:33,199
enough people out there that have heard

2534
01:59:41,390 --> 01:59:36,690
John or myself or other people I'm we're

2535
01:59:43,700 --> 01:59:41,400
not the only ones that have been asking

2536
01:59:45,620 --> 01:59:43,710
questions and those questions aren't

2537
01:59:49,640 --> 01:59:45,630
answered and people are uncomfortable

2538
01:59:51,650 --> 01:59:49,650
with that and and that's it

2539
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:51,660
that's it I don't have anything direct

2540
01:59:58,100 --> 01:59:54,810
other than the last time that I spoke to

2541
01:59:59,990 --> 01:59:58,110
Tom which was a few months ago now the

2542
02:00:02,680 --> 02:00:00,000
months are creeping buys a few months

2543
02:00:05,830 --> 02:00:02,690
ago it was in the middle

2544
02:00:09,110 --> 02:00:05,840
unidentified was still airing on on

2545
02:00:10,979 --> 02:00:09,120
History Channel and Tom and I talked I

2546
02:00:13,770 --> 02:00:10,989
was in the middle of the day

2547
02:00:15,240 --> 02:00:13,780
and he said that he would come on fade

2548
02:00:18,479 --> 02:00:15,250
to black he didn't have a problem with

2549
02:00:21,510 --> 02:00:18,489
that but only to promote unidentified

2550
02:00:24,050 --> 02:00:21,520
that he didn't and I'm just telling you

2551
02:00:27,750 --> 02:00:24,060
direct what he said that he would not

2552
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:27,760
address any concerns or questions from

2553
02:00:32,459 --> 02:00:29,530
the community and he didn't want to talk

2554
02:00:34,170 --> 02:00:32,469
about any of that and that's and so

2555
02:00:40,590 --> 02:00:34,180
there you go there I think that answers

2556
02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:40,600
your question right the truth it is

2557
02:00:44,130 --> 02:00:41,770
nothing

2558
02:00:47,459 --> 02:00:44,140
you know questioning what's going on and

2559
02:00:50,160 --> 02:00:47,469
looking for the truth is all right and

2560
02:00:52,500 --> 02:00:50,170
they should appreciate that you know do

2561
02:00:54,900 --> 02:00:52,510
we have a right to question and just not

2562
02:00:58,770 --> 02:00:54,910
take everything at face value

2563
02:01:00,300 --> 02:00:58,780
you know we had you know we and well I

2564
02:01:03,000 --> 02:01:00,310
just don't think it's fair

2565
02:01:05,070 --> 02:01:03,010
and I think jump mrs. Greenwald and you

2566
02:01:07,560 --> 02:01:05,080
have been fair and I don't think why

2567
02:01:10,979 --> 02:01:07,570
though as a knowing him and not

2568
02:01:14,160 --> 02:01:10,989
communicating him with him and we're not

2569
02:01:15,959 --> 02:01:14,170
set the record straight and you know I

2570
02:01:19,700 --> 02:01:15,969
hear he's a threat to them for some

2571
02:01:23,640 --> 02:01:19,710
reason yeah and it shouldn't be that way

2572
02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:23,650
I my position I have to clear my throat

2573
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:25,530
hold on

2574
02:01:33,060 --> 02:01:29,530
sorry about that is my position it has

2575
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:33,070
not changed my position is the same now

2576
02:01:38,250 --> 02:01:34,810
as it has been over the last couple of

2577
02:01:42,930 --> 02:01:38,260
years number one I appreciate the money

2578
02:01:45,240 --> 02:01:42,940
that t TSA is spending on marketing I

2579
02:01:49,830 --> 02:01:45,250
appreciate them pushing out the press

2580
02:01:51,600 --> 02:01:49,840
releases getting stuff on to Fox and CNN

2581
02:01:53,490 --> 02:01:51,610
and the marketing that is involved there

2582
02:01:55,860 --> 02:01:53,500
I appreciate all of that they've gotten

2583
02:02:00,840 --> 02:01:55,870
the UFO subject out there front and

2584
02:02:04,709 --> 02:02:00,850
center fully fully dig it the part that

2585
02:02:08,520 --> 02:02:04,719
I'm uncomfortable with and and will

2586
02:02:12,030 --> 02:02:08,530
hopefully change is that it takes time

2587
02:02:15,350 --> 02:02:12,040
to trust the man as long as I'm dealing

2588
02:02:19,580 --> 02:02:15,360
with the CIA or Pentagon or

2589
02:02:22,010 --> 02:02:19,590
counterintelligence agents and and and

2590
02:02:24,410 --> 02:02:22,020
people with security clearances and

2591
02:02:26,570 --> 02:02:24,420
direct ties and oaths back to the

2592
02:02:30,410 --> 02:02:26,580
Pentagon the Defense Intelligence Agency

2593
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:30,420
and everything else that before I go in

2594
02:02:36,140 --> 02:02:34,410
fully vested and trust that time has to

2595
02:02:37,820 --> 02:02:36,150
take place and I need to know that

2596
02:02:39,979 --> 02:02:37,830
they're doing this in our best interest

2597
02:02:43,940 --> 02:02:39,989
and that's it I'm not

2598
02:02:46,490 --> 02:02:43,950
I've never hid that right and that's

2599
02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:46,500
that's where I'm at so I hope that

2600
02:02:49,880 --> 02:02:48,330
answers your question Stephen and enjoy

2601
02:02:53,630 --> 02:02:49,890
the rest of your weekend thank you so

2602
02:02:56,830 --> 02:02:53,640
much I take it you yeah thank you and

2603
02:03:00,170 --> 02:02:56,840
that's it my position has not changed

2604
02:03:03,229 --> 02:03:00,180
it's not I've got I've had my list of

2605
02:03:07,310 --> 02:03:03,239
questions and that's it that's it and

2606
02:03:09,590 --> 02:03:07,320
it's not going to change and and thank

2607
02:03:12,740 --> 02:03:09,600
you for that Stephen and I I don't know

2608
02:03:14,660 --> 02:03:12,750
who this website is or or who you're

2609
02:03:18,020 --> 02:03:14,670
referring to so I haven't read that but

2610
02:03:19,910 --> 02:03:18,030
but you know I just don't I don't deal

2611
02:03:23,630 --> 02:03:19,920
with negativity hi you're live on fade

2612
02:03:27,410 --> 02:03:23,640
to black who's calling this is Jill from

2613
02:03:33,010 --> 02:03:27,420
Florida hey man how are you very good

2614
02:03:36,890 --> 02:03:33,020
Jimmy um yeah I guess I follow up on the

2615
02:03:40,250 --> 02:03:36,900
last caller I was waiting on hold and he

2616
02:03:43,550 --> 02:03:40,260
kind of touched on what I was looking to

2617
02:03:45,410 --> 02:03:43,560
talk about but when you were talking to

2618
02:03:50,540 --> 02:03:45,420
Dolan I was actually thinking to myself

2619
02:03:53,060 --> 02:03:50,550
you know because it we got this spectrum

2620
02:03:55,100 --> 02:03:53,070
now with T TSA where you have the dark

2621
02:03:57,590 --> 02:03:55,110
journalists all the way over on the one

2622
02:04:00,680 --> 02:03:57,600
side and then you got George Knapp all

2623
02:04:03,950 --> 02:04:00,690
the way on the far other side and then

2624
02:04:07,930 --> 02:04:03,960
you got guys kind of more in the middle

2625
02:04:10,670 --> 02:04:07,940
but skeptical like yourself and then

2626
02:04:13,850 --> 02:04:10,680
guys kind of in the middle but not

2627
02:04:17,750 --> 02:04:13,860
skeptical like Richard it is so it is a

2628
02:04:20,390 --> 02:04:17,760
little bit complete confusing you got it

2629
02:04:22,729 --> 02:04:20,400
Richard confuses me honestly on this

2630
02:04:26,240 --> 02:04:22,739
issue especially given what he said

2631
02:04:28,319 --> 02:04:26,250
tonight unless I misunderstood and first

2632
02:04:32,819 --> 02:04:28,329
of all he said

2633
02:04:36,330 --> 02:04:32,829
he believes that TSA is slowing down and

2634
02:04:39,319 --> 02:04:36,340
I'm maybe you can explain that to me

2635
02:04:42,390 --> 02:04:39,329
better because I'm not getting that

2636
02:04:44,780 --> 02:04:42,400
feeling at all I mean maybe a temporary

2637
02:04:48,390 --> 02:04:44,790
slowdown but I don't get the sense that

2638
02:04:55,140 --> 02:04:48,400
long-term work we're looking at a

2639
02:04:57,479 --> 02:04:55,150
slowdown I mean the the Navy no matter

2640
02:05:00,930 --> 02:04:57,489
how you look at this the Navy is behind

2641
02:05:04,950 --> 02:05:00,940
this because the we keep getting new

2642
02:05:08,220 --> 02:05:04,960
Navy personnel coming out and talking

2643
02:05:11,100 --> 02:05:08,230
openly so the Navy has the ability to

2644
02:05:15,240 --> 02:05:11,110
shut this down anytime they want and

2645
02:05:18,120 --> 02:05:15,250
they're not doing that so and the TTS a

2646
02:05:21,240 --> 02:05:18,130
story is so tied in with the Navy that

2647
02:05:24,780 --> 02:05:21,250
if the Navy is not sure shutting this

2648
02:05:29,069 --> 02:05:24,790
person personnel down and I don't see

2649
02:05:31,740 --> 02:05:29,079
anything that's really slowing T TSA

2650
02:05:34,740 --> 02:05:31,750
down in a significant way given that the

2651
02:05:38,330 --> 02:05:34,750
tick-tack and the three Navy incidents

2652
02:05:44,129 --> 02:05:38,340
are really the biggest fuel to the TTS a

2653
02:05:47,580 --> 02:05:44,139
fire I'm with you if not more in the

2654
02:05:50,220 --> 02:05:47,590
dark journalists camp I mean to me it's

2655
02:05:54,359 --> 02:05:50,230
clearly an operation but at the same

2656
02:05:59,160 --> 02:05:54,369
time I don't mind it like especially

2657
02:06:01,830 --> 02:05:59,170
because to me TT especially Elizondo and

2658
02:06:04,260 --> 02:06:01,840
these guys they don't seem to be hiding

2659
02:06:06,780 --> 02:06:04,270
it that much like to me it looks like an

2660
02:06:09,180 --> 02:06:06,790
operation but yet they're not going out

2661
02:06:12,660 --> 02:06:09,190
of their way to hide the fact that it's

2662
02:06:14,399 --> 02:06:12,670
an operation and I'm sure that there's

2663
02:06:15,180 --> 02:06:14,409
some reason for it I don't know if I put

2664
02:06:18,660 --> 02:06:15,190
my finger

2665
02:06:21,030 --> 02:06:18,670
completely completely on why that is why

2666
02:06:23,910 --> 02:06:21,040
it feels like it's a topic yet they're

2667
02:06:27,899 --> 02:06:23,920
not really trying to keep it all that

2668
02:06:29,669 --> 02:06:27,909
secret that they're not but that was

2669
02:06:34,430 --> 02:06:29,679
just my feeling well but you're right

2670
02:06:40,530 --> 02:06:34,440
though Joe which goes back to my point

2671
02:06:43,050 --> 02:06:40,540
for everybody is that before we go out

2672
02:06:46,290 --> 02:06:43,060
and embrace

2673
02:06:50,160 --> 02:06:46,300
something like TTS a and because of who

2674
02:06:54,080 --> 02:06:50,170
they're staffed with you can't you can't

2675
02:06:58,290 --> 02:06:54,090
go all in and and we and asking asking

2676
02:07:01,440 --> 02:06:58,300
questions and tiptoeing with you know

2677
02:07:05,970 --> 02:07:01,450
that type of organization and giving it

2678
02:07:09,810 --> 02:07:05,980
time is the only way to know if it's if

2679
02:07:15,930 --> 02:07:09,820
it's honest and and the reason why I go

2680
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:15,940
that direction is and I've said this to

2681
02:07:23,640 --> 02:07:17,770
Richard right and I've said it on the

2682
02:07:30,210 --> 02:07:23,650
air that that if fade to black or if

2683
02:07:35,940 --> 02:07:30,220
Richard Dolan press or if k GRA or if i

2684
02:07:40,020 --> 02:07:35,950
heart radio right or CNN I don't care

2685
02:07:42,690 --> 02:07:40,030
you pick the cut the media company was

2686
02:07:44,940 --> 02:07:42,700
staffed with CIA and counter

2687
02:07:47,340 --> 02:07:44,950
intelligence officials with security

2688
02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:47,350
oaths in the Defense Intelligence Agency

2689
02:07:54,600 --> 02:07:50,890
and the Pentagon your company is staffed

2690
02:07:56,970 --> 02:07:54,610
with that if I had that here at fade to

2691
02:07:59,940 --> 02:07:56,980
black would you trust one word that was

2692
02:08:03,770 --> 02:07:59,950
coming out of my mouth you wouldn't and

2693
02:08:07,790 --> 02:08:03,780
and you and everybody else would say

2694
02:08:11,070 --> 02:08:07,800
that I'm some CIA project

2695
02:08:15,390 --> 02:08:11,080
if Richard Dolan's books were being

2696
02:08:17,700 --> 02:08:15,400
published by a staff of CIA encounter

2697
02:08:20,520 --> 02:08:17,710
intelligence officials everybody in

2698
02:08:24,420 --> 02:08:20,530
ufology or in general would be looking

2699
02:08:29,750 --> 02:08:24,430
at Richard or I Heart Radio or any but

2700
02:08:40,860 --> 02:08:29,760
our T TSA and say hey wait a minute here

2701
02:08:45,530 --> 02:08:40,870
your staff is 100% spook that's it if

2702
02:08:49,140 --> 02:08:45,540
fade to black was 100 percent spook I

2703
02:08:50,730 --> 02:08:49,150
cannot imagine the criticism and what I

2704
02:08:54,260 --> 02:08:50,740
would have to deal with every day and

2705
02:08:56,250 --> 02:08:54,270
that is what that along is dealing with

2706
02:08:57,810 --> 02:08:56,260
and that's it

2707
02:09:00,570 --> 02:08:57,820
just say can I say one other things

2708
02:09:03,900 --> 02:09:00,580
George - to that point this is what

2709
02:09:06,960 --> 02:09:03,910
confuses me about and I really like

2710
02:09:09,300 --> 02:09:06,970
though and I follow him over the past

2711
02:09:12,980 --> 02:09:09,310
year or two pretty religiously I think

2712
02:09:18,090 --> 02:09:12,990
he's great I think anybody in this field

2713
02:09:19,860 --> 02:09:18,100
that you're in that's batting 500 is

2714
02:09:21,570 --> 02:09:19,870
doing a great job because it then the

2715
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:21,580
whole thing is so tricky and there's so

2716
02:09:27,120 --> 02:09:24,010
many different angles it's a minefield

2717
02:09:29,820 --> 02:09:27,130
man it's a mine it really is but here's

2718
02:09:32,280 --> 02:09:29,830
what I don't understand about Dolan's

2719
02:09:33,470 --> 02:09:32,290
position just specifically on this issue

2720
02:09:38,220 --> 02:09:33,480
all right

2721
02:09:43,710 --> 02:09:38,230
the long was on record before the

2722
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:43,720
October 2017 coming-out party okay

2723
02:09:53,660 --> 02:09:48,330
the long was on the record about his

2724
02:09:56,670 --> 02:09:53,670
meetings inside the five floors below

2725
02:09:59,670 --> 02:09:56,680
whatever the Pentagon wherever he was

2726
02:10:03,270 --> 02:09:59,680
but he all the leaks of the teases that

2727
02:10:07,830 --> 02:10:03,280
he did that you're just aware of as I am

2728
02:10:13,430 --> 02:10:07,840
that he was in super secret sealed rooms

2729
02:10:20,670 --> 02:10:13,440
in government locations military

2730
02:10:23,580 --> 02:10:20,680
locations now did did he did along it in

2731
02:10:26,910 --> 02:10:23,590
that timeframe the summer before October

2732
02:10:30,360 --> 02:10:26,920
2017 give you the impression that Lewis

2733
02:10:32,940 --> 02:10:30,370
Elizondo was the highest-ranking guy

2734
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:32,950
that he met with in those schisms

2735
02:10:43,620 --> 02:10:36,010
no no no no he never mentioned it or

2736
02:10:45,690 --> 02:10:43,630
implied it okay so who got the long into

2737
02:10:47,070 --> 02:10:45,700
those rooms fellows on there was

2738
02:10:49,350 --> 02:10:47,080
somebody higher than that was on them

2739
02:10:52,710 --> 02:10:49,360
well you're letting your imagination run

2740
02:10:54,840 --> 02:10:52,720
with you I think what you're and outlook

2741
02:10:59,040 --> 02:10:54,850
the way that Tom not only on this

2742
02:11:03,930 --> 02:10:59,050
program with our interview and others

2743
02:11:06,870 --> 02:11:03,940
where he has implied going you know to

2744
02:11:09,340 --> 02:11:06,880
you know underneath the Pentagon or he's

2745
02:11:11,920 --> 02:11:09,350
out at area 51 he's underground

2746
02:11:14,650 --> 02:11:11,930
he's meeting with you know the top heads

2747
02:11:17,050 --> 02:11:14,660
of the CIA in the in the Air Force and

2748
02:11:20,800 --> 02:11:17,060
generals and security guards and secret

2749
02:11:23,440 --> 02:11:20,810
room no I that that never happened

2750
02:11:26,500 --> 02:11:23,450
he doesn't have a security clearance to

2751
02:11:28,990 --> 02:11:26,510
go and do that and nobody would allow a

2752
02:11:32,920 --> 02:11:29,000
civilian in there so no he doesn't have

2753
02:11:35,200 --> 02:11:32,930
access to that what I believe this is

2754
02:11:39,100 --> 02:11:35,210
this is me and this is because of

2755
02:11:41,410 --> 02:11:39,110
Stephen Justice I think that he went out

2756
02:11:44,770 --> 02:11:41,420
to the Mojave Desert and went out to

2757
02:11:48,010 --> 02:11:44,780
skunk works and they gave him a tour and

2758
02:11:50,200 --> 02:11:48,020
took him into a boardroom there which

2759
02:11:54,670 --> 02:11:50,210
was probably you know through a security

2760
02:11:57,220 --> 02:11:54,680
situation but with some armed guards

2761
02:12:02,140 --> 02:11:57,230
that's possible but underneath the

2762
02:12:05,250 --> 02:12:02,150
Pentagon or area 51 now no no no no no

2763
02:12:08,530 --> 02:12:05,260
and I don't think he would ever try to

2764
02:12:10,150 --> 02:12:08,540
convince you or me or anybody else that

2765
02:12:13,360 --> 02:12:10,160
that was the case I think he was out of

2766
02:12:14,760 --> 02:12:13,370
skunkworks in the Mojave Desert that's

2767
02:12:19,050 --> 02:12:14,770
it that's it

2768
02:12:23,310 --> 02:12:19,060
you know I distinctly remember some

2769
02:12:26,260 --> 02:12:23,320
multiple and sure sure sure sure

2770
02:12:28,480 --> 02:12:26,270
okay I you know I get that I'm just

2771
02:12:30,660 --> 02:12:28,490
telling you what I think I think he went

2772
02:12:34,060 --> 02:12:30,670
out to skunk works in the Mojave Desert

2773
02:12:38,830 --> 02:12:34,070
that's where he was okay okay look but

2774
02:12:40,630 --> 02:12:38,840
it's just my opinion okay but I think

2775
02:12:43,360 --> 02:12:40,640
that's where he was which is still

2776
02:12:45,340 --> 02:12:43,370
really bleep and cool and with that Joe

2777
02:12:47,950 --> 02:12:45,350
you're the last call of the night it's

2778
02:12:50,530 --> 02:12:47,960
been a fabulous show and thank you okay

2779
02:12:54,640 --> 02:12:50,540
and enjoy the rest of your weekend thank

2780
02:12:59,200 --> 02:12:54,650
you and with that what a week you know

2781
02:13:02,710 --> 02:12:59,210
what you know I've got one minute left

2782
02:13:04,720 --> 02:13:02,720
on this program and I'm just gonna let

2783
02:13:06,150 --> 02:13:04,730
this guy in for 60 seconds what's up

2784
02:13:09,090 --> 02:13:06,160
Scott

2785
02:13:11,350 --> 02:13:09,100
Kenny what a great week on theta black

2786
02:13:15,340 --> 02:13:11,360
thank you so much it was pretty cool

2787
02:13:16,930 --> 02:13:15,350
wasn't it it was unbelievable

2788
02:13:18,490 --> 02:13:16,940
Jimmy I want you know I got a clearance

2789
02:13:20,920 --> 02:13:18,500
for my wife to call you three times this

2790
02:13:23,189 --> 02:13:20,930
week yeah well you know what she's

2791
02:13:26,080 --> 02:13:23,199
really cool

2792
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:26,090
1000 years of alien presence what makes

2793
02:13:30,490 --> 02:13:27,770
you think there will be dispersion now

2794
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:30,500
and will I not leave because it's not

2795
02:13:35,320 --> 02:13:32,810
humanity's not ready but just what makes

2796
02:13:38,649 --> 02:13:35,330
you think and feel as though these alien

2797
02:13:41,200 --> 02:13:38,659
presences is off the planet well see but

2798
02:13:46,840 --> 02:13:41,210
you know that's too long about of an

2799
02:13:51,220 --> 02:13:46,850
answer for me but I hate to say this to

2800
02:13:53,229 --> 02:13:51,230
people but I don't need disclosure and I

2801
02:13:56,340 --> 02:13:53,239
think that where we are right now is

2802
02:13:59,500 --> 02:13:56,350
about as close as we're gonna get until

2803
02:14:02,080 --> 02:13:59,510
something accidental happens it's not

2804
02:14:05,350 --> 02:14:02,090
gonna be the government stepping up and

2805
02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:05,360
saying okay we need to talk that's not

2806
02:14:09,220 --> 02:14:07,370
gonna happen that side of disclosure is

2807
02:14:11,080 --> 02:14:09,230
not going to happen it'll be something

2808
02:14:12,970 --> 02:14:11,090
else it'll be a document dump that's

2809
02:14:16,959 --> 02:14:12,980
accidental it'll be break into

2810
02:14:19,720 --> 02:14:16,969
somebody's servers or some crazy craft

2811
02:14:22,540 --> 02:14:19,730
flying over Los Angeles but it's not

2812
02:14:25,090 --> 02:14:22,550
going to be voluntarily from the

2813
02:14:26,770 --> 02:14:25,100
government and with that I'm rolling

2814
02:14:28,570 --> 02:14:26,780
credits and thank you for the phone call

2815
02:14:30,790 --> 02:14:28,580
Scott and see I snuck in

2816
02:14:33,130 --> 02:14:30,800
Thank You Jimmy great we keep it rolling

2817
02:14:37,090 --> 02:14:33,140
baby love it I'll talk to you thank you

2818
02:14:38,830 --> 02:14:37,100
Scott great night tonight great week I

2819
02:14:40,030 --> 02:14:38,840
do want to thank Richard Dolan I want to

2820
02:14:43,120 --> 02:14:40,040
thank Billy Carson

2821
02:14:46,360 --> 02:14:43,130
I want to thank Travis Walton and of

2822
02:14:47,800 --> 02:14:46,370
course Whitley Strieber last night fade

2823
02:14:49,390 --> 02:14:47,810
to black so executive producers

2824
02:14:50,860 --> 02:14:49,400
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2825
02:14:52,840 --> 02:14:50,870
home Jay palm Renee Dennis and Bob

2826
02:14:55,930 --> 02:14:52,850
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2827
02:14:58,990 --> 02:14:55,940
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2828
02:15:02,140 --> 02:14:59,000
music doug aldrich intro space boy space

2829
02:15:09,939 --> 02:15:02,150
boy music calm fade to black is produced

2830
02:15:11,500 --> 02:15:09,949
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2831
02:15:14,530 --> 02:15:11,510
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2832
02:15:15,990 --> 02:15:14,540
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2833
02:15:18,280 --> 02:15:16,000
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2834
02:15:20,439 --> 02:15:18,290
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2835
02:15:23,819 --> 02:15:20,449
black of the GameChanger network our

2836
02:15:27,450 --> 02:15:23,829
meals Jimmy Church this is fade to black

2837
02:15:29,959 --> 02:15:27,460
everybody have a great safe fun weekend

2838
02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:29,969
we'll see on Monday

2839
02:15:52,110 --> 02:15:31,570
gobekli tepe